It isn’t off base to say Hamas is antisemitic. Hamas is a terrorist organization that attacked and murder civilians.
Israel then responded by also killing civilians. I don’t think anyone is in the right here. Fighting war crimes with war crimes is not productive. Maybe we shouldn’t go around killing people.
It makes sense in the context of World war 2 and 9/11
Israel is closer to America than Hamas or Iran. Ultimately politics are not rational. People find facts to back there beliefs not the other way around.
Don’t be crazy and cite information from over two years ago (when nobody gave a fuck whether Palestinians lived or died).
Huh - it’s almost like the whole situation is kinda complicated to those of us trying to understand for decades and shouldn’t be simplified by useful idiots who just tuned in and spent their energy in the streets instead of the ballot box.
I think ultimately the conflict is way more complicated than many people are willing to admit. Hamas hates Jews so Israel can’t really let down its guard. However, they probably shouldn’t be gunning down anything that moves either. There really isn’t a good solution but that’s something that people really don’t want to hear. It is much easier to align with one side.
Israel is dropping bombs on Gaza and telling the civilians whose families are murdered that it’s in the name of Jewish sovereignty. No wonder some Palestinians hate Jews. Israel is telling them to.
Stop killing their babies and their mothers, and they’ll stop joining Hamas.
Yes. The first chicken egg was laid by a non-chicken reptilian ancestor. And the cycle of violence between Israel and Palestine began with the 1948 Nakba, the mass displacement and ethnic cleansing operation which ended with 78% of Palestine’s land occupied by Israel.
Give it back. There are people alive today who remember being forced to flee from their homes by Israeli soldiers during the Nakba. Let them go home.
There’s good solutions, and there’s easy solutions. They just don’t align. It’s just those with power prefer the latter over the former, cause it helps them keep that power. Their end goal also generally isn’t peace…
Which is really what this post is about. It’s about the tactics used (by “both sides”) to vilify their enemies and galvanize their base. To create extremists and reactionaries who think little and act a lot.
The real rub is those parties, the “good guys” and the “bad guys” (interchangeable depending on which power player we’re talking about) are vastly outnumbered by the people caught in the middle. If they stopped reacting and started thinking, those power players would lose their momentum.
Algorithmic social media and targeted advertising aren’t helping either. I’m glad to be here having this discussion. I think Lemmy and Mastodon are the future regardless of your political views.
I think they’re just another kind of echo chamber people use to espouse views.
Until people change the way they express themselves, and open themselves to different ideas, nothing will change. Moving to a different social media tool because people think similarly to oneself there doesn’t expand horizons or change perspectives, if anything it narrows them.
I don’t remember where I read that Israel used the Hannibal directive on october 7. Still, I don’t think Hamas is that bad. They fight for they country that’s being invaded. Everyone’s pro ukraine, but not pro palestine, why’s that?
Palestine is not Hamas. Hamas is a terrorist organization that’s calling for the extermination of all Jews. Around 6,000 soldiers went into Israel and murder and tortured innocent people. Palestine is pretty innocent as far which isn’t great for them as they are getting caught in the middle. Also Israel has reportedly killed some of its own people since they can’t really tell who’s part of Hamas. (They kill anything that could be a threat)
Hamas is a terrorist organization that’s calling for the extermination of all Jews
This is a lie on par with “Ukraine is controlled by Nazis”.
Around 6,000 soldiers went into Israel and murder and tortured innocent people. Palestine is pretty innocent as far which isn’t great for them as they are getting caught in the middle.
Damn, crazy how Israeli citizens are “murdered and tortures by Hamas soldiers who went into Israel”, while Palestinian citizens merely “get caught in the middle”
The Hannibal directive was used by Israel to intentionally target and kill any Israeli prisoners being taken on Oct. 7. Israel has come out and said it. The attack was horrible, but every action by Israel was about wiping Gaza off the map. They were just looking for “acceptable” ways to accomplish it. As for torturing people, many Palestinians who were not part of Hamas were held and tortured. The people who returned to Israel all seem to be saying they weren’t tortured and were mostly bored sitting around waiting. It very much seems like a situation where a group was marginalized, constantly poked and proded, and then when someone responds they use it as reason to invoke further marginalization. Over and over until a “terrorist” organization was formed. Without such treatment, Hamas would have had no reason to exist. Zionism appears to have caused the entire issue.
Hamas murdered innocent Israelis. I’m not saying that Israel is the good guy here as clearly they have murdered and tortured. The think to keep in mind is that Hamas also killed innocent people. People lost loved ones on both sides and I think it is important to remember that murder is not ok. Israel may of killed far more people but that doesn’t mean that Hamas isn’t also guilty of murder. It is quite sad that people are taking thousands of human lives and putting them on some sort of scale. Everyone of those lost was a value human being and there will be people who are left with out a loved one. Doing comparisons of numbers overlooks the brutality of senseless killing.
ANC murdered innocent South Africans, WW2 resistance groups murdered innocent Germans. To hell with you and your both sides bullshit that favours oppressors.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_7_Hamas-led_attack_on_Israel
It isn’t off base to say Hamas is antisemitic. Hamas is a terrorist organization that attacked and murder civilians.
Israel then responded by also killing civilians. I don’t think anyone is in the right here. Fighting war crimes with war crimes is not productive. Maybe we shouldn’t go around killing people.
You would have said the same thing about the annihilation of the Warsaw ghetto
Still, the number of Israeli’s killed is nowhere near the over 40,000 Palestinians killed. So it’s weird to be pro-Israel.
It makes sense in the context of World war 2 and 9/11
Israel is closer to America than Hamas or Iran. Ultimately politics are not rational. People find facts to back there beliefs not the other way around.
Don’t be crazy and cite information from over two years ago (when nobody gave a fuck whether Palestinians lived or died).
Huh - it’s almost like the whole situation is kinda complicated to those of us trying to understand for decades and shouldn’t be simplified by useful idiots who just tuned in and spent their energy in the streets instead of the ballot box.
We also shouldn’t be trying to propagandizing people to try and fanatically support us instead of “the other guy”.
I think ultimately the conflict is way more complicated than many people are willing to admit. Hamas hates Jews so Israel can’t really let down its guard. However, they probably shouldn’t be gunning down anything that moves either. There really isn’t a good solution but that’s something that people really don’t want to hear. It is much easier to align with one side.
Actually there is a good solution, you just don’t want to hear it. Free Palestine.
Israel is dropping bombs on Gaza and telling the civilians whose families are murdered that it’s in the name of Jewish sovereignty. No wonder some Palestinians hate Jews. Israel is telling them to.
Stop killing their babies and their mothers, and they’ll stop joining Hamas.
Are you familiar with chickens and eggs?
Yes. The first chicken egg was laid by a non-chicken reptilian ancestor. And the cycle of violence between Israel and Palestine began with the 1948 Nakba, the mass displacement and ethnic cleansing operation which ended with 78% of Palestine’s land occupied by Israel.
Give it back. There are people alive today who remember being forced to flee from their homes by Israeli soldiers during the Nakba. Let them go home.
There’s good solutions, and there’s easy solutions. They just don’t align. It’s just those with power prefer the latter over the former, cause it helps them keep that power. Their end goal also generally isn’t peace…
Which is really what this post is about. It’s about the tactics used (by “both sides”) to vilify their enemies and galvanize their base. To create extremists and reactionaries who think little and act a lot.
The real rub is those parties, the “good guys” and the “bad guys” (interchangeable depending on which power player we’re talking about) are vastly outnumbered by the people caught in the middle. If they stopped reacting and started thinking, those power players would lose their momentum.
Algorithmic social media and targeted advertising aren’t helping either. I’m glad to be here having this discussion. I think Lemmy and Mastodon are the future regardless of your political views.
I think they’re just another kind of echo chamber people use to espouse views.
Until people change the way they express themselves, and open themselves to different ideas, nothing will change. Moving to a different social media tool because people think similarly to oneself there doesn’t expand horizons or change perspectives, if anything it narrows them.
I don’t remember where I read that Israel used the Hannibal directive on october 7. Still, I don’t think Hamas is that bad. They fight for they country that’s being invaded. Everyone’s pro ukraine, but not pro palestine, why’s that?
Palestine is not Hamas. Hamas is a terrorist organization that’s calling for the extermination of all Jews. Around 6,000 soldiers went into Israel and murder and tortured innocent people. Palestine is pretty innocent as far which isn’t great for them as they are getting caught in the middle. Also Israel has reportedly killed some of its own people since they can’t really tell who’s part of Hamas. (They kill anything that could be a threat)
This is a lie on par with “Ukraine is controlled by Nazis”.
Damn, crazy how Israeli citizens are “murdered and tortures by Hamas soldiers who went into Israel”, while Palestinian citizens merely “get caught in the middle”
Fucking disgusting use of two faced rhetoric.
The Hannibal directive was used by Israel to intentionally target and kill any Israeli prisoners being taken on Oct. 7. Israel has come out and said it. The attack was horrible, but every action by Israel was about wiping Gaza off the map. They were just looking for “acceptable” ways to accomplish it. As for torturing people, many Palestinians who were not part of Hamas were held and tortured. The people who returned to Israel all seem to be saying they weren’t tortured and were mostly bored sitting around waiting. It very much seems like a situation where a group was marginalized, constantly poked and proded, and then when someone responds they use it as reason to invoke further marginalization. Over and over until a “terrorist” organization was formed. Without such treatment, Hamas would have had no reason to exist. Zionism appears to have caused the entire issue.
Hamas murdered innocent Israelis. I’m not saying that Israel is the good guy here as clearly they have murdered and tortured. The think to keep in mind is that Hamas also killed innocent people. People lost loved ones on both sides and I think it is important to remember that murder is not ok. Israel may of killed far more people but that doesn’t mean that Hamas isn’t also guilty of murder. It is quite sad that people are taking thousands of human lives and putting them on some sort of scale. Everyone of those lost was a value human being and there will be people who are left with out a loved one. Doing comparisons of numbers overlooks the brutality of senseless killing.
ANC murdered innocent South Africans, WW2 resistance groups murdered innocent Germans. To hell with you and your both sides bullshit that favours oppressors.
wow so brave