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The way I see it, all of us who migrated here won. Enshitification is eventually going to kill reddit, the only question is when. I’ll grab some popcorn when it happens, but for now won’t worry about it and just enjoy my time here on Lemmy.
It won’t die. It will just hollow out. Same as Digg. Same as Facebook, Twitter, and every other shitty part of the internet. The power users are what make the internet the magical place it is. Without those people, the sites will still work… but they won’t be as great as they were before their respective turning points. It’s a cycle it seems.
It might not even kill it. Facebook is still kicking, after all, for all its enshittification. It’s just… idk, some of us were freed to move on to a more satisfying experience. That’s all. Life continues here, life continues there
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Maybe Facebook got so big and their search is so good that people just stopped using Google search for it, but I have a hard time believing that can be responsible for a drop of this magnitude.
I would say you’re probably right. Remember this old gem?
facebook’s on the decline, meta’s betting on instagram since that’s what the kids use. facebook is for boomers to looking at family vacation photos and nazi radicalising and is a legacy service at this point.
do you know what a ‘boomer’ is? it’s slang for ‘baby boomer’ and it’s a specific age range of people born at specific times. plenty of people younger than that are on FB every day. just saying, if you didn’t know what ‘boomer’ was, it doesn’t just mean ‘old person’.
Yeah, I feel like I hit the jackpot by finding out about the fediverse/non-corporate social media.
That‘s right. Without the protests, i probably would nit have been aware of the fediverse existence
Yeah, I agree with this suspiciously named man. Whether it happens sooner or later, Reddit’s death is on the horizon, as it will keep making the wrong choices and so steadily lose those communities and content that built it in the first place.
Reddit won’t actually die, it’ll just be a hollow shell of what it once was.
To illustrate my point, Digg still exists.
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I’ll grab some popcorn when it happens
There won’t be a day when reddit goes away, it will be a gradual decline, digg still exist.
This place will be dead pretty soon. Going to lost about 80% of y’all going back to reddit. Same thing happened with Elon buying Twitter (good move btw) when all the ideologues went to Mastodon for a weekend.
This place is a huge hugbox for far left redditors, but does it really offer anything that reddit doesn’t already offer? No.
Geez, you trolls are so pathetic.
I can’t tell if it’s just cognitive bias on my part but I feel like the content and discussion has gotten even worse on Reddit since the protests.
Meanwhile here, I find most engagements thoughtful and written because people want to engage. Sure, a few assholes post stupid shit or try to be mean, but most are just trying to participate in good faith.
Reddit was always going to win that battle. But the fact that Lemmy now has a much larger user base (largely populated by many reddit OGs) is telling. At the very least, the online landscape changed. I for one am happy to be on a new platform away from the old corporate overlords.
Yeah, I don’t mind that the majority stays on Reddit. I miss the old, tighter communities and conversations. When you couldn’t predict the top 2-3 top level comments because it’s not all jokes/memes, all the time.
Lemmy is still young, just needs some time and work to get it’s shit together and then it’ll be great! Honestly, I hope Reddit stays popular so that most people stay there. As long as Lemmy doesn’t turn into another escape for CP/Nazi’s/random shit groups.
Honestly, I hope Reddit stays popular so that most people stay there. As long as Lemmy doesn’t turn into another escape for CP/Nazi’s/random shit groups.
I wouldn’t be surprised at all if various extremist groups end up setting up their own lemmy instances. The whole point of the decentralisation is you can’t stop them from doing that. I doubt the big instance will connect with those instances though. We might end up with a sort of alternate mini-fediverse for various groups that don’t get accepted into the main one.
This is also your solution if main instances start getting too popular and you don’t like them anymore. Set up your own instance and disconnect from the rest. The main selling point of lemmy is you always keep some control over the platform.
Yeah the fediverse feels more of a game that runs only on personal servers you join and less of a central server game that everyone joins. Lemmy is more counter strike and Reddit is more world of Warcraft
As long as Lemmy doesn’t turn into another escape for CP/Nazi’s/random shit groups.
That’s quite the irony since there are Lemmy communities that originate from subreddits that actually got banned on Reddit, for being too toxic even by Reddit mod’s standards.
Like that recent drama about lemmy.world defederating from a hardcore communist instance.
Dead right, 100% agreed.
In late June early July Reddit was awash with people predicting a digg like doom for reddit. I got sick of commenting that 90% of reddit users wouldn’t understand what was happening and 99% wouldn’t care. Reddit was always going to “win” in that they would carry on, more profitable than before.
I don’t know or care whether the reddit “experience” has diminished in either the short or the long term. I expect it has in some way, but it’s more like a continuation of a long-standing trajectory.
In any case, as you say, the landscape has changed. Back in April lemmy was more or less non-viable to scratch that thread based news-aggregator itch. That’s no longer the case.
At least personally i have not been on reddit for more than 10 minutes total since the middle of June. I am but one person, but i dont see how they can declare themselves the winners.
They think that the people who are left are more valuable than we were. At least in terms of data collection and ad views they are probably right.
On the long run chasing away the power users will probably harm the platform, but it’s not immediately clear.
They can declare whatever they want. The ex users won’t hear or rebut.
I haven’t been back at all.
They were always going to win. It’s their platform. They can do whatever they want. But… They lost my attention and paid subscription. I now only go to Reddit when I’m looking for something I can’t find elsewhere. It used to be my favorite platform.
Reddit’s main advantage is the historic number of contents and knowledge posted by their users.
It will take decades for this advantage to shift, if even possible, to similar type like Lemmy or other platforms.
This can play out in other ways. Search platforms start indexing open platforms and more links start making reference to these platforms.
To be honest I didn’t really care about the API thing because I used the web interface anyway. But the fact that they had this outrage from users and their answer was “LOL who cares” made me leave.
I’m very similar. I actually just used the official app, but just seeing the way they responded made me leave
I just got tired of being on a site that won’t just ban you for saying Nazis should be punched, they’ll ban you for calling them mean names.
Nah, I won. We won. We found better platforms like Lemmy, Mastodon, and KBin.
I’m not going back to reddit, there’s simply no need.
Exactly. Reddit can suck it.
I think I’ve skimmed the F1 subreddit like twice since the protests began. I’m done with Reddit. Not just because of RIF but on desktop too. Lemmy gets better every day as well
Reddit corporate claims victory
LOL, fucking pathetic.
Platforms don’t rise and fall in a single day. Reddit used to be obscure. The fewer people go and make content there and instead just post her, the more Reddit dies through attrition. And as more active users are on Lemmy, the more it grows.
I am eagerly anticipating their article on MySpace.
And to learn whether such articles come about via financial incentives or death threats.
If Reddit won, why have Lemmy and Kbin’s userbases grown so steeply since June? Why has the quality of Reddit’s content plummeted terribly? Why is /r/place just one endless ocean of “fuck spez”?
Reddit only “won” in the same way that Florida “won” against illegal immigrants and is now facing a massive workforce shortage in essential industries.
Reddit may not be dead yet, but it’s mortally wounded already. It’s bleeding out and will be dead in every way that matters soon.
Unfortunately, steeply here doesn’t really capture the size disparity between Lemmy and Reddit. Lemmy has 60k active monthly users. Reddit has 450 million active monthly users. We have a looong way to go before we can really compete. But we just have to keep pushing. Now that we exist and have a sustainable userbase, the next time Reddit does something idiotic we’ll be here to attract disgruntled users. Something good that we can be doing is showing up to the threads on Reddit about the terrible things Reddit does and advertising Lemmy to people.
I don’t think a competition is necessary. I’m more than happy if this place is better than reddit was, even if it never becomes that big. It’s the content and the community what makes it good for me, not the ammount of users.
Oh, I didn’t mean to imply that Lemmy is getting bugger than Reddit. I just wanted to point out that Reddit is bleeding a lot of users. And judging by how Reddit’s post quality has dropped, it’s bleeding the best ones.
the thing is we need to hit the critical mass where there’s enough posts and comments that it’s not dead and there’s a reason to come back at least daily. I’d say lemmy just hit that point for me very recently and I imagine that if I still had a reddit account I’d be 50/50. I expect exponential growth from here on out, with more users enabling more people to want to join and that further enhances the system
To emphasize this discrepancy, based on these numbers, if one tenth of one percent of reddit’s monthly active users switched to lemmy, that would represent more than 600% growth in the lemmy userbase. So yeah. Sharp growth here isn’t necessarily a sharp decline there.
But if the tiny minority that leaves is the same group that’s willing to spend dozens of hours a week for free keeping the site free of spam and hate and keeping forums on topic, that has a pretty outsized impact on the quality of the site moving forward. So the small number isn’t to say that reddit wasn’t hurt by the exodus. It’s just to say that lemmy growth numbers aren’t a good indicator of that impact.
Stop pushing, the server gonna explode 💀
We lost like 15k active users (of not even 140k) over the last couple weeks alone. I wouldn’t call that steeply grown…
Again, I’m not comoparing Lemmy to Reddit. I myself am on Kbin.
Same. And those are the combined Lemmy & kbin numbers.
Why are you trying so hard to miss my point? Either that or I really suck at communication.
You are. I literally counter argue your point that Reddit “lost”. It’s not mortally wounded either. A tiny portion moved away to something like the various fediverse platforms, a large portion of that already left again and is likely back on Reddit, if they even fully left in the first place. So please stop the mental gymnastics.
It’s not mental gymnastics, but fine. I won’t beleaguer the point. What about the rest of my comment?
I notice no mention of Lemmy userbase expansion…
That how you know its a paid article.
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Yeah, I don’t even think about Reddit anymore, who cares. If people want to waste their time on that shit site fine with me.
Not really sure what Gizmodo thinks that Reddit “won”. They damaged their reputation, degraded the quality of their site, popularized competition, and embittered a significant portion of their volunteer labor force.
Lemmy has been an amazing replacement since this bullshit and now the good apps are coming over. You lose, Reddit.
Welcome to the other digg effect.
Major social media platforms don’t just explode and go extinct, they slowly slip into irrelevancy.
Digg still exists, no-one cares. Tumblr still exists, no-one cares. Myspace still exists, no-one cares. The list goes on and on.
Exactly. I no longer visit Reddit since the incident. I know I’m one person but there are others just like me. Fuck Reddit. I mean digg. Or do I mean Reddit? Ceo is a loser.
there are other just like me.
I am right here, and there are many more. I quit reddit about a week before the blackout. I used to be a power user, I’m talking more than 3 hours a day easily. I made a few post, but most of my engagement was from comments. I quit cold turkey, actively avoiding reddit result from google searches.
Fast forward to today, and I still don’t use it out of spite. I still avoid it if I can but if there are search results from Google that have answers to my specific problem on reddit, I will read the comments with ad-block on and move on to another website if the reddit link did not provide a solution.
I respect your spite and dedication.
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Musk has killed Twitter/X, Zuckerberg has killed Insta…waiting for it to happen to Facebook.
I dunno about winning. Lemmy user count is through the roof. And Im one of the people who left when they pulled the API nonsense. The way they gaslit and lied to the Apollo dev was just unacceptable. Couldn’t participate there after that.
But most of these are small communities, and today only protesting subreddit with over 10 million subscribers is r/fitness.
Even if those subreddits never reopen, relinquishing the John Oliver rule officially brings the Reddit protests to a close.
These sentenences are literally right after each other. I have no idea how a 10+ million subreddit still protesting and many smaller ones means the protests are “officially over”. It’s died down quite a bit but that doesn’t seem like a state to declare “officially over”.
Reddit might have won, but i definitely did too. It made me finally leave Reddit and got me here. And who knows, perhaps one day Reddit will drown in its enshittification enough for it to vanish into nothing but the great history of the internet. Then, at last, we will still be here.
