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Toyota is offering some amazing deals for its hydrogen fuel cell-powered Mirai. That is, if customers can find the hydrogen to power it.

Toyota wants hydrogen to succeed so bad it’s paying people to buy the Mirai::Toyota is offering some amazing deals for its hydrogen fuel cell-powered Mirai. That is, if customers can find the hydrogen to power it.

  • AA5B@lemmy.worldEnglish
    52·
    9 months ago

    For personal vehicles, no, that is not at all clear and many of us would say clearly the opposite.

    However there are more heavy duty applications where batteries are unlikely to ever scale. I don’t think we have a clear winner yet so hydrogen is likely still in the running for things like aviation, shipping, construction and farm equipment, industry, maybe even grid scale energy storage

    • desconectado@lemm.eeEnglish
      3·
      9 months ago

      There’s no need for a “winner”, why are people so fixated that it has to be one or the other?

      All the technologies we have are not exclusive, having more options is always better when it comes to energy.

      This “winning” debate has to stop. There’s no gas vs diesel vs natural gas winner… There is no hydro, wind, PV winner… They all can coexist just fine.

      There is a place for hydrogen fuel, and there’s a place for battery vehicles.

      Stop debating this like they are football teams.

      • AA5B@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        9 months ago

        Firstly: winner, as in the more appropriate and mature technology

        Secondly: while it may appear the technologies are not mutually exclusive, they each depend on a lot of infrastructure. It doesn’t make sense to build put multiple sets of infrastructure for multiple technology vehicles. The reason it may make sense for heavy equipment is you typically have a central hub everything comes back to, so the infrastructure can be much simpler

        • desconectado@lemm.eeEnglish
          1·
          9 months ago

          More appropriate in terms of what? Batteries and renewable fuels could serve two applications. And be more practical in certain locations.

          The infrastructure can be location based. Doesn’t make sense to have EV in certain locations with poor grid coverage, or renewable fuels in big cities.

          We have plenty of technologies with double infrastructure, I mean EV and carbon based fuels are both around, no problem whatsoever, even better on because we don’t rely on a single infrastructure. Renewable fuels can use a similar infrastructure to natural gas with a few tweaks. We have fiber optic, cable phone, 4/5G, all serve the “same” purpose but for different applications. There’s no “winner” there.

          Batteries don’t deliver power as fast as fuels, so depending on what you need as a consumer you can decide to go for EV (single passenger small car for cities) or renewable fuels for long range, or high powered trucks for freight and heavy load.