I guess this could just as easily be posted in an anti-work community
I can’t think of a worse marketing strategy for a company that relies on remote work to remain relevant. This would be like if General Motors forced every employee within 50 miles plant to ride a bike to work.
We make remote work viable.
NOT FOR US THO LMAO
That is hilarious
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I don’t think that Zoom specifically advocates for companies to end work in the office.
Like, say you work for Coca-Cola. Their company health plan probably does not encourage people to drink nothing but Coca-Cola, even if they do make it available in the office.
I mean… as a software developer, Sorry, I will not be returning to the office.
You need me, more than I need you. The market is HOT right now.
Companies will learn, the hard way.
Is the market hot right now? With all the layoffs, the sentiment on blind seems to be don’t try to find a job now
Big tech overhired. There is still a massive number of companies that are in dire need of software devs. They won’t pay 300k though
The layoffs were all from the big tech companies, the small ones are still operating as per usual.
Not necessarily. The ones you HEAR about are from big tech companies, but many small tech companies are also tightening their belts to follow suit.
My evidence is inherently anecdotal, but my current (at the time) and previous companies of 100-ish people both also had (multiple) layoffs – more like 5 people each time rather than thousands, sure, and they never hit the news. I reported mine to layoffs.fyi, with the evidence that “company X just laid me off,” and they never posted it.
90% of the people who were laid off in December had a new job by February. That timeframe has been consistent across the board.
There is still a huge talent gap and there are still a huge amount of high paying jobs available for folks in software. You may have more trouble getting into the largest orgs, but aim a bit smaller and you can find work pretty quickly.
Exactly. I’m so tried of random folks speculating on how much easier it’s going to be to attract developers. Nothing actually changed folks.
A slightly smaller massive shortage is still just a massive shortage.
It’s not as great as it was a year or two ago.
That is true.
Two years ago, if I failed to reach out with an offer within 35 hours of finishing the interview, the candidate had already accepted one of the other two offers.
Today it seems like it can take two months for developers to have 3 competing offers. So if I end up needing to hire this year, I’ll have the kind of leverage that lets me take the whole work week to interview every candidate I want to, before making an offer.
The great news for me is that some hiring managers I compete with saw the layoffs and decided it was safe to reveal themselves as assholes. That’s going to make my job (of stealing their top talent) easier for many years to come, because people have long memories.
Commuting is a total loss, and I find being in the office makes it much harder to actually get work done. Fuck all this shit.
I’ve been getting a lot of messages on LinkedIn from recruiters, a lot of these are asking me to be in the office 2 to 3 times a week. If I was to commute, I’d leave before my son is awake and arrive after he has gone to bed, working from home, I see him whenever I want.
Never saw my dad growing up unless it was the weekends and by then he was tired. He commuted a decent amount. Now he’s in his later years and unable to physically do much. I wonder what kind of relationship we would have had. I wish I knew him at his best.
I always ask if there’s in office and will flat out reject anything more than 1-2 days per week
I’ve been able to be there for almost all of my second daughters first year milestones thanks to WFH. You can’t put a pricetag on that.
I guess they don’t trust their product.
I mean, it is crap.
It is a gift from the heavens compared to the dumpster fire that is Microsoft Teams Meetings
I don’t have any issues with teams - what makes it a dumpster fire to you?
Thankfully I haven’t used teams for a while, but my main issue with it was that it was trying to do everything poorly rather than one thing well. It’s text chat, video chat, file storage, it had every MS Office product integrated. That meant you had to force your way past a bloated mess to get to the function you needed. The video chat was lacking the options that zoom had. It didn’t have a proper speaker mode at that point, it used phone audio rather than speaker audio, there were less good options for screen sharing(whiteboards ect). It was always slow, memory hungry, buggy and unstable on Firefox/Linux. The desktop app was no better because it’s literally just the web app in electron, but it had the added problem of being very difficult to fully close.
Very glad to be rid of teams.
I feel you haven’t used Teams in years because none of what you mentioned has been my experience starting using teams 2 years ago. (Only point is that I’m unsure about whiteboards, since I’ve never needed to use that)
I don’t think it’s fair to discredit everything I said with “you haven’t used teams in 1.5 years”.
Some of it is opinion " teams is bloated", some of it is a fact “teams is an electron webapp, which makes it slow and inefficient compared to a native app”, some of it is very specific to my setup “teams is broken on my computer with my config of Firefox and Linux”.
I’ve used teams on fast Windows computers with fast internet connections, and it was far less frustrating. Maybe that’s why your experience was better.
I would much rather use teams than zoom. But Google meet is the best, can’t believe it was beat by zoom
Zoom app never worked well on Linux and in browser experience was absolute shit.
Sometimes it just wouldn’t start without any error message. 10 minutes before meeting. Fuck zoom.
Teams works even in Firefox on Linux, but desktop client is very solid as well if you’re into that.
I had the exact opposite experience so bad, my job required me to install Windows after 5 or 6 years.
Essentially, Teams classrooms cannot be larger than 200 people. Since our classrooms were as big as 800 people, Teams have a system like conference. However, it specifically mentions that you cannot create and host a conference unless you are from Microsoft Desktop App.
I resigned a few months later and finally got rid of Windows, but it was a very bad experience for ne.
I have the opposite experience, Teams shits the bed constantly, chat is invisible half of the time, audioproblems galore, random hangups. Meanwhile, zoom works perfectly every time
Only issues I’ve had using teams are network related. If the pipe ain’t there to handle it, of course it’s gonna act like trash.
What issues have you had? I do everything on there.
I think you meant Microsoft Teams in general.
I hate Microsoft but this is silly. Zoom has garbage ui for chatting or sending files.
We can only assume the internal memo was:
“Hey guys! Oh shit! Our remote conferencing software is actually crap! We need to return to the office ASAP!”
Good for them not having any “sacred cow” technologies - not even the one they sell, apparently.
Currently looking for another job and EVERY job I have seen that’s hybrid has multiple offices across the country. So basically they make you come into the office to talk to the rest of your team on zoom. Somehow that is more efficient than talking to them on zoom from your house.
That’s pants-on-head level stupidity.
“THE REAL ESTATE! PLEASE THINK OF HOW MUCH WE PAY FOR THE PRETTY BUILDING!”
If you attend send building it will somehow make our poor investment worthwhile.
I’d love to understand the logic and benefit of come two days a week. But the real reason, not the bullshit they say
They’ve invested a lot of money in office real estate and hate that it’s going to waste.
Also, CEOs tend to be extroverts who want to be around people. They’re also sociopaths who think everyone is like them (or they don’t care what others think).
Combine the two and you get this.
Also no one actually knows how long tasks take.
If you work from home and only work for 4 hours, lots of managers do not know how to tell if that work you did took 8 hours or 4. In the office they have plausible deniability that they saw you there doing something.
They’ve invested a lot of money in office real estate and hate that it’s going to waste.
But see this makes no sense. The money invested is gone (or contractually tied up). Using it won’t make it a good investment.
It’s like if you bought a car and then moved somewhere where you’re like 1 minute walking from work, the grocery store, the hair salon,.and the best restaurants, and you never travel otherwise. The money spent on the car is objectively wasted. Using your car unnecessarily to drive places you (a) wouldn’t normally go to or (b) don’t need a car to get to is not only pointless, but actually costs MORE MONEY because of gas and maintenance (or for a building, energy and cleaning).
No idea whether it’s their reason, but anecdotally I’ve found it has a few benefits. If coordinated properly it’s significantly easier to train new(er) staff, it improves cross-organisational understanding to overhear other departments’ conversations either at desks or in break rooms, and it stops people becoming isolated pockets of knowledge and culture because they only ever see or interact with the same one or two people.
Because the people creating these mandates don’t have to suffer them. They come and go as they please, and they don’t work in the
pitopen office space. They have real offices with furniture, walls, and doors that shut.I can help you. The benefit is strictly for the maintenance of th bullshit status quo and the logic is, once you’re already coming in two days a week, it’ll be an easier fight to ask for a third. Then a fourth. And so on.
Careful, this article might cause irony poisoning
When you really don’t believe in your own stuff…
Seems like a way of culling staff without having to pay severance… make it so shit that people leave, but make allowances for the key people you need
That (along with feeding managers’ need to micromanage) is the largest reason so many corporations are forcing a return to office
Don’t get high on your own supply
In other news, a bunch of Zoom employees are easily poachable.
Zoom, which remains a leader in the post-pandemic remote work trend, is now asking all employees within 50 miles of a company office to go in at least two days a week on a hybrid schedule.
lol. That’s like an hour each way.
I live 11 miles from work and it takes me 30-40 min to drive in. 50 miles could be 90-120 min easy.
Different circumstances but similarly funny in an absurd way because of how it sounds, I remember reading a news item in the 90s about the time when a riot broke out in a Nerf factory in China.
