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You know it’s all the same people in all three groups, right? (/s)
I don’t know what the /s is there for. In my experience, if you like Star Wars, you also like Star Trek. Just a matter of degrees of preference. With few exceptions, like the “God hates Jedi” guy, the rivalry is made up.
Stargate people are cool, too.
It’s just there because I find I need it on Lemmy, way too many people think I’m being sincere when I’m just goofin’.
Maybe I’m showing my age, but I remember a time when star trek vs star wars was a pretty heated debate and some people legitimately hate the other for not being the right “Star-” franchise.
We all know the correct answer (outside of -gate) is [Battle]Star Galactica.
And here comes Carter with the
folding chairexploding sun!
If not Mackay can always blow up t̶h̶̶r̶̶e̶̶e̶̶ ̶̶q̶̶u̶̶a̶̶r̶̶t̶̶e̶̶r̶̶s̶̶ ̶ three fifths of the solar system.
Everyone’s all like “but the Death Star destroys planets”. Yeah, but they’d have to hit the Borg cube - significantly smaller and way more maneuverable. In the end, it comes down to how easy Empire tech is to assimilate. If it comes to a fire fight, we all know storm troopers can’t target for shit.
They only can’t hit protagonists.
The Borg’s better play would be a couple of spheres. Too small to be hit by the Death Star’s main weapon, and should be able to tank any fighters sent after them. Probably the surface turbo lasers, as well.
The Borg only need to get within transporter range. Once they have a few drones on board and start assimilating at an exponential rate, it’s over.
1500 M is big enough to hit with the main weapon. Mon Calamari Cruisers are only 1200 M in length and the DS 2 blows up two of those and a medical frigate which is even smaller, in the battle of Endor
Also while the design team on First Contact made that sphere 1500 M in diameter, they are listed in the tech manuals as being 3000 M in size.
Yes. How long until the Borg are firing turbo lasers? Then, it’s definitely over. Unless the Empire has some kind of resistance to assimilation like those insect things from Voyager that were wrecking the Borg.
End of Return of the Jedi. They take several rebel ships out that are significantly smaller than a Borg cube. Hitting them isn’t an issue, and they can hit the cube outside of transporter range while the Borg are still yammering about adding their technology to the collective.
Also at the end of Return of the Jedi a clan of stone age forest marsupials defeats the Empire’s ground army.
Which is completely irrelevant since we aren’t dealing with ground armies, stone age marsupials, or trying to capture anyone like the imperial troops were trying to do with the people at the generator.
The borg get beaten by good vibes in an episode of star trek. Wait no, Sorry. “individuality from memories of a borg’s time separated from the collective where he learned the power of friendship” that’s much less ridiculous than space wizards fighting space Hitler and accepting help from the natives.
You know, if you poorly break it down, you could probably make a good drinking game out of it. "describe the episode/scene poorly and guess if it’s star trek, star wars, or star gate, and if you’re wrong or someone else gets it right first, drink.
Replicators would take out both, even if Borg Cube and Death Star joined forces.
Han Solo should still have The Sun Crusher stashed away somewhere. How would they fare against a Starfighter that can blow up stars and their solar systems?
Pretty sure Kyp flew it into a black hole before cramming himself into a probe and abandoning ship. Pretty sure even quantum armor isn’t going to hold up to that.
Sure, but the other thing Han Solo stole was the design specs, and they never actually said where those ended up. I’m pretty sure Han Solo can produce as many as needed if he has access to an assembly plant
There is huge difference between early replicators and later, after beating the Asgard, the replicators have infested an entire Galaxy. So blowing up a single sun is far from enough. And the Asgard could guaranteed also have done that. The replicators were only beaten because of the Ancients gate system spanned multiple galaxies, and could transmit the off code simultaneously to them, so the replicators couldn’t react to it.
So in short, the sun crusher is peanuts. Even Samanthe Carter blew up a sun.
What about the heat buildup of absorbing or even just deflecting the Death Star? That weapon destroys an entire planet. Whatever the Borg Cube uses, it would build up absurd amounts of heat going against the Death Star.
Tangentially related: I love the concept of a ship or space superweapon that uses excess heat itself as an additional means of attack.
Something a ton of sci-fi ignores is that heat can’t dissapate in a vacuum the same way it does planetside. If you have to put it somewhere, and if we assume you’ve re-captured/reused as much as is reasonable… then you could fire/railgun superheated stuff at the enemy. Literally make your excess heat someone else’s problem. Either hardened solid slugs to penetrate with the heat assistance, or materials engineered to “splash” and glom on on impact like ship sized space napalm.
Battletech has flamers, which are basically like if you took one of those WWII flamethrower tanks and powered it with nuclear fusion instead of napalm. The lack of a WarShip-class flamer for space combat seems like an oversight, though…
You know your stuff. I sorta knew about the heat massing, but I’m only remembering because you mentioned it here. This is me imaginary friend requesting you
Star Trek is downright magical with heat, anyway. The TNG tech manual does give a glance to the laws of thermodynamics by sprinkling heat sinks here or there, but it’s almost comical. Even at 99% efficiency, warp cires are putting out so much power that warp 5 would cook the crew.
We pretty much have to assume they have some way sinking heat into subspace.
Put Star Trek ships and people into the MechWarrior/Battletech universe, and watch the consoles explode before they get hit.
Why would they never be able to do it again? And this sounds like 2 Borg Cubes versus one Death Star as written.
The Borg learn the frequency of the weapons used against them and alert the rest of the hive to adapt their shields to that frequency. So Mr. Neopets is saying that the Death Star would win the battle as presented, but any inevitable further confrontation would go to the Borg.
Honestly, I disagree. The shields may adapt, but you’re still talking about a weapon made to destroy a planet being pointed at something that’s maybe 4 or 6 times the size of a star destroyer (don’t really fell like calculating that precisely, but memory alpha lists the cubea as roughly 3 cubic kilometers while a star destroyer, from memory, is about 1.6 kilometers long and much less for height and width; for comparison, the first death star is listed as 120 kilometers diameter and the second as 160 on wookieepedia)
I think a better head-to-head would be a Borg cube vs a super star destroyer like Executor (8 kilometers length, powerful but not planet cracking weapons)
It’s like if the Enterprise were to shoot phasers at a single drone on the ground. I don’t care how much those shields adapt, that’s simply too much raw power for a shield generated by a humanoid sized suit and set of implants. I don’t remember specifics but i vaguely remember at least one instance in Star Trek where they managed to overpower a Borg’s shields. They are not perfect, no matter how good the tech is it still runs on energy and it still uses energy to absorb energy.
And for my biases: I love both, but I’ve always had a preference for Star Trek. My opinions on this aren’t based on a preference for Star Wars at all.
Are you forgetting about The Executor’s main super laser? Sheeve had that thing run the entire length of the ship, it’s not a planet killer, but it can do the same thing the DS1 did in Rogue One and wipe out a city, or a capital ship, in one shot.
Same on my preferences, it’s just that Admiral Thrown designed some ridiculously overpowered weapons. Like The Sun Crusher
I’m going to assume you meant Grand Admiral Thrawn, but he had nothing to do with the Sun Crusher or the Maw installation it was built at. That was Admiral Daala, and the Maw installation was built by Grand Moff Tarkin.
Thrawn, meanwhile, was not a fan of super weapons. He didn’t need them. In practice, they’re impractical outside of generating fear, but they can’t be everywhere.
Thrawn could probably defeat a Borg cube with a standard Imperial Star Destroyer, though. Although… the Borg lack anything you could consider “art”, but they’re not particularly creative in their tactics, relying more on their superior technology and adaptability to overcome adversaries, so i don’t think he’d find them overly challenging from that perspective
Executor does not have a superlaser. The Eclipse Super Star Destroyer did.
You’re correct, I confused The Executor with The Eclipse.
The Executor Vs a cube would be a relatively fair match, but if Lord Vader isn’t present, I suspect the Borg cube would just barely win while taking extreme damage.
If Lord Vader is present, He wins, not the Super Star
BattleshipDestroyer.
Everyone completely forgets that The Sun Crusher exists, and Han Solo stole the thing.
The Borg would be turbo fucked with cyberdongs in that particular matchup.
