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Does Firefox break for people? I’ve used it solidly for years without a reinstall.
Same here, but I imagine there are vastly different usage pattens. Maybe Firefox doesn’t support some that well. I couldn’t use any other browser though.
I’ve used both the normal and nightly builds and have never had an issue beyond nightly just crashing and closing like twice years ago and I was still able to open it with all my tabs intact.
Same here (Windows, Android and Linux)
Idk how you use Firefox wrong but anon here is doing it. Got mine loaded with add-ons n shit never had an issue in years. Imagine actually using brave.
The problem is chromium dominance (edge and chrome mostly) as it makes other browsers vulnerable to the noncompetitive web standard changes that google likes.
Imagine still using Brave in current year.
Brendan Eich is a piece of shit
Show me another browser that can fully pass the EFF’s and other privacy tests, and I will switch.
Never heard of that before so just tried it with Fennec (Firefox fork) and got this result:
Then downloaded Brave and got this result:
This is what I get on a degoogled Android 13 custom ROM. What OS/device are you using? Did you opt out of sending stats to Brave when you installed?
I’m on the latest GrapheneOS (sounds like you are too) and yes I opted out of both checkboxes.
I am guessing you are using uBlock Origin or similar with Fenec, as I just get “partial protection” in the EFF test unless that extension is installed.
Ah looks like I am, yeah.
Should I need to turn some setting on in Brave to get the same result?
I am using SparkOS on this device. My usual daily driver running Android 14 uses degoogled BlissROM and gets the same results, but I just borked it testing the latest alpha version for the maintainer.
Sounds like its not a very reliable way to gauge privacy, then.
The EFF is very good at what they do, and I’ve found it to be reliable, based on auditing traffic with tools like TrackerControl and AppManager as well. There is also resources noting test results such as https://privacytests.org
Either way, looks like we found that other browser.
Embedded trackers Brave: 0 Fennec: 3
So that’s the second test a browser needs to pass for me - no embedded tracker libraries. Fennec fails on that.
Here you can see that Fennec tried to “phone home” to Mozilla when I launched it
This is the result of the default install of Fennec - it needs the user to install an extension to get ad and tracker blocking like you have
Not quite for me - Fennec (at least the build from F-droid) does not randomize fingerprint, AppManager and TrackerControl both show it has embedded trackers sending telemetry to Mozilla, and Fennec is not available on desktop. Librewolf is hardened Firefox on desktop, and is very good though, and has the trackers going back to Mozilla removed, but it does not randomize fingerprint.
Librewolf + arkenfox user.js maximum security profile will pass EFF and about every other test you could think of. The real problem is that security comes with cost to convinence. Multi session cookies and site history suck for security but are really convinent tools for browsing the modern internet.
I like Librewolf a lot, and do use it sometimes on desktop, but they do not offer a mobile version, and there have been a few web pages I have found it was not compatible with.
I don’t know what they mean about firefox breaking, unless they are on the nightly stream. I don’t recommend being on nightlies if stability is important to you.
I have been using Nightly on Android and Windows for years now and even that doesn’t break. I probably had minor bugs from time to time but so few I don’t even remember any specifically. But I do agree with you of course. On my work laptop I also use stable, just in case.
Same, I’ve had it crash like twice years ago and didn’t even lose my tabs. Everything was fine.
Anon works in Brave’s marketing department
Didn’t get Firefox problem, complete refresh? Like close it and opening it again?
Anon’s baiting the audience of browsers I’ve not even heard of. I’ve googled SigmaOS and still unsure wtf is that, some coupling of productivity app and a browser that paints itself as the whole OS for all working needs, with one window\tab and a $10 subscription, exclusive to Macs, and is unironically called Sigma? I mean, it sounds even more niche than our favorite Firefox forks, folks. I’d not bite, but it was a pretty interesting dive. Thanks, anon.
I wouldn’t use Brave if you paid me, but yes, browsers are all pretty shitty RN.
Curious, what are the issues with Brave?
https://www.kevinmuldoon.com/do-not-use-brave-browser/
Not to even mention shoving crypto in there for no good reason, spiking worldwide energy usage with its mere existence.
This article is FUD for the most part:
- replacing ads - nope, by default you don’t see any replacement ads, rather you see the least amount of ads on any chromium based option out there (e.g. Brave is the only browser I’ve found that still blocks the vast majority of ads on YouTube videos). You need to opt in to see replacement ads
- affilate links - yeah, that was some bs that happened 4 years ago, they were called out on it, and they promptly removed them, and these things have never appeared again.
Regarding the crypto stuff - that is by default off, again you need to opt in to it. Now, there is basic usage stats that are sent back to Brave that are on by default, but these can be turned off easily in the settings.
If there is any real objection that can be made to Brave it’s that the CEO has contributed cash to anti-gay-marriage campaigns in the past (which is why he has fired from Mozilla) and that he has expressed some reactionary political views in social media. I can understand people boycotting Brave for that.
Meanwhile, Brave is the only browser I’ve found that completely passes the EFF’s test at coveryoutracks.eff.org - and in other pricacy and security audits it performs always at “best in class” levels.
Oh, well written. I should update my research
Thanks for that vid, had some great perspective!
I haven’t had any issues with Librewolf breaking
No one has mentioned Vivaldi yet. I haven’t found it slow in the years I’ve used it. It does hog memory with the amount of tabs I open, but no more than any other browser I’ve used. Fortunately it has inactive tab suspenders as an option to help with my bad habits (natively now, and through chrome extensions before that). Also, it is undoubtedly the most visually customizable browser I know, so it being ugly is really you making the sandwich.
If this was just bait, I guess it got me. If not, anon could try Tor if they value privacy, or maybe something minimalist if they really care about performance.
Tor is already technically mentioned in anon’s post, as a fork of firefox, technically.
Oh, today I learned!
Vivaldi has some closed source components to it, so that makes it a “pass” for a lot of us that are more privacy focused. But in performance and features Vivaldi is certainly a good chromium based browser - it’s just not one I choose for myself.
Literally my only gripe with Firefox is that the mobile version on Android frequently plays html5 Videos very choppy and you have to reload the page to get normal fps. Apart from that it’s the obvious, good choice.
I also struggle with browsers :\ It seems like every one is just a different shade of dogshit but Firefox is still my daily driver and I have few issues with it so idk what the guy in image is on about. Brave is overrated
Why nobody mentions ungoogled-chromium?
Well in many respects, no Chromium based browser can be ungoogled, it’s literally Google’s project.
WebKit is cross platform, The only reason those browsers are platform-locked is because the devs wanted them to be.
