• TachyonTele@lemm.ee
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    7 months ago

    People act like mods breaking after an update is new. Bethesda (and every other dev team) has been doing it since Morrowind (and long before that) The MWSE and everything else were fine back then, too.

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      7 months ago

      I mean, the issue is that the updates fix nothing of value and break mods in this decade old game. Passable update for console, “why did you even try?” on pc.

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        7 months ago

        They add plenty of value, people just haven’t really read into it. I.e. widescreen support, performance optimization, etc.

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            Yeah, but let’s be real - modding isn’t for everyone. The show was a mainstream hit, so a lot of eyes were on the game again. Adding native improvements like that are a benefit to the game overall and to the people who don’t know how to mod or care enough to do it. It’s a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation. But at the end of the day, hooking to a binary is just a hotfix away from being broken till someone fixes it again.

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              7 months ago

              Bethesda offloads bug fixing to modders altogether too frequently to simply handwave modding as niche on PC. Over a decade on, comprehensive bug fixing mods are still amongst the most frequently downloaded files on nexusmods for Skyrim and even Fallout 4. They can’t have their cake and eat it too, and then complain that they urgently had to eat it.

              Their actions don’t exist in a vacuum. Had they done this 5 years ago, it may have been received with confused appreciation, as it was with Skyrim. Now? After those mod creators have long since abandoned the game? It’s no longer welcome.

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                Personally, I still think Gamers (capital G on this one) are really stupidly entitled when it comes to shit like this. I agree with the other person, it’s not on the company who made the game to stop the work they’re doing on it, just to make sure third-party modders are okay with the update. They don’t have to, and they technically shouldn’t have to either. In a perfect world, yes they would communicate with the mod authors and all, but this ain’t a perfect world.

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                  7 months ago

                  In a perfect world, Bethesda would produce a whole game and rely not on free labor but themselves to create something. They went the Reddit route, instead opting to do as little as possible until it was inconvenient or even actively antagonistic toward their audience. They cannot have their cake and eat it. Their company is as much their modders as their employees. But they didn’t rerelease it under another edition, so I guess I can compliment their finite capacity for greed.

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                    7 months ago

                    their company is as much the modders’ as it is the employees’

                    You lost me there, lol. Just because I go to eat at a restaurant every single day for years doesn’t mean the restaurant is partially mine, nor does it mean I work there if I just decide to help with the dishes some time.

                    This is a bad take.

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            7 months ago

            The mod-supported ultra-widescreen option was not good. Bethesda’s update is definitely better than it was, and since that was the only Fallout mod I used these updates are all good to me.

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      7 months ago

      Yeah, Minecraft updates break mods all the time but there it is just something the community accepts as normal and lives with. The huge update rage is something I only see with Bethesda game modding.

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        Because Bethesda games are exclusively single player and offer absolutely no way to decline updates. If they had the old version available as a “beta” or (even better) if Valve stopped dying on the “every game must be updated before launching it even single player games because fuck you” hill there wouldn’t be any outrage.

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          Right, that’s really more of a Steam issue than a Bethesda issue. I get why Valve and Bethesda don’t want to provide customer support for old versions, but they don’t have to. People have been figuring out their own problems when using obsolete systems or software for a long time.

          I have no issue with Steam pushing the updates and encouraging you to take them, but giving no way to decline is a pretty poor user experience. Especially when we already know they keep old versions on their servers, as people have made guides on how to downgrade with Steam

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            Without having to re-buy the game, yes. I’d even be willing to pay GOG a bit of money for the cost of hosting the files etc, but I’m not paying Bethesda twice. That’s just rewarding bad behaviour.