Tldr: instead of disposing of toxic industrial waste products, Dow Chemical thought “our toxic waste kills plants, if we convince farmers and suburbanites they need to kill plants, they’ll dump our toxic waste on their land and pay us for it!” The rest is the history of ecocide.

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    Every plant in the garden and in the surrounding landscape has a use. There is no weed. Learning how to use plants again is important!

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      Uh…

      I’d like to show you some introduced and invasive species that most fucking definitely are weeds and have no use being where they are, we’ll outside their natural range.

      I think I could probably also include many animal species in this definition, including humans.

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        You decide which human is invasive? No thanks. As for invasive plants, are we going to take all our agricultural plants back to where they came from as well?

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          Invasive plants expand and kill the native species. Bradford Pears like those planted by my prior home owner prevented anything else from growing under it and 2 years after removal, is still trying to sprout.

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            Where I live Mimosa kills everthing where it grows, so does Eucalyptus. But watching (and unsuccessfully fighting it) during two decades I find that it ultimately can’t outgrow the native species, it finds a more humble place in the landscape with time. Yes we shouldn’t stupidly introduce new stuff left and right, but the idea that invasives could be removed entirely feels entirely impossible (how? and where to draw the line?), and also frighteningly fascist, to me. Managing a landscape by building diverse ecosystems where the ‘invasives’ have place and function seems to be a more fruitful (!) thing to do imo.

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          I haven’t said that I’ll decide which humans but I reckon if we could squash ourselves back into our original range in Northern Africa, that’d be great for the rest of the planets ecosystems.

          Might have to lose a few to fit.

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            Sounds too much like ‘the war on weeds’ only for humans. Still no thanks. We can grow smaller but lets take it easy. Also if we squash ourselves back who is gonna fight the invasives (/s because I don’t think the term even makes sense)

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    Tldr: instead of disposing of toxic industrial waste products, Dow Chemical thought “our toxic waste kills plants, if we convince farmers and suburbanites they need to kill plants, they’ll dump our toxic waste on their land and pay us for it!” The rest is the history of ecocide.

    Isn’t this the story for fluoride too? Seems like a pattern, as if they believe “the solution to pollution is dilution”.

    https://www.democracynow.org/2004/6/17/the_fluoride_deception_how_a_nuclear

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3690253/

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      Oh, absolutely. I don’t know where fluoride is sourced from, but it wouldn’t surprise me to learn it’s an industrial byproduct that would otherwise have to be disposed of as toxic waste.

      And anybody who wants to reflexively defend fluoridation because of the political bias of its American opponents should note water fluoridation is literally illegal in developed countries:

      Fluoridation of community drinking water is considered unethical because individuals are not being asked for their informed consent prior to medication. It is standard practice to obtain consent for all medication, and this is one of the key reasons why most of Western Europe has ruled against fluoridation. It is a violation of human rights, a direct violation of the Nuremberg code that states that research or even routine medical procedures must be done with the voluntary cooperation of the subjects who must be fully informed of the risks or benefits of the procedure in which they are involved.

      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6309358