• RagingNerdoholic@lemmy.ca
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    1 year ago

    It’s not self defense of immediate threat has ended. You can’t take retributive action after the fact and call it self defense.

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          1 year ago

          If I was in court for killing a rapist, what makes you think I would care about going to jail at that point? The system would still be wrong for doing it regardless.

          Did you know that legal does not equal moral, just or true?

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        1 year ago

        So if you successfully flee from danger, and then put yourself back in danger for the explicit purpose of killing someone, that’s okay?

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              Because no one is talking about purposefully putting oneself back in danger. That’s logically impossible because the rapist put you in a situation where you are always in danger, not just from them but the community at large.

              Burdening rape victims with the responsibility of avoiding their rapist over something done to them inherently puts their life in danger.

              It’s not always possible to avoid the rapist. Most rapists are people you know. What do you do when you have to interact with them at work? At school? At home?

              What happens when you run into them at the store?

              Because that’s the nightmare those rape apologist bitches are asking for. Entrenching the rights of rapists to act without consequences by shouldering responsibility for the situation on the victim.

              Like what all evil people do.

              And I will NOT support it. Ever. Rape victims have a unilateral right to kill their rapists and no one with any shred of humanity or decency will deny that. Deny it, and you’re a bad person. Period.

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                You are not in danger from the community at large because one person committed a crime. That’s asinine logic. You’re speaking from intense paranoia to justify hunting down someone that wronged you. Like the cop pigs that idolize the Punisher, you don’t care about justice, just assuaging your own violent tendencies with a more socially acceptable target.

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                  Tell that to the poor girl who was raped in Stuebenville.

                  Whose house was burned down because she came forward and the backwater shithole she lived in decided football money was more important than her life.

                  Tell that to literally any rape victim anywhere.

                  Tell that to people who in some countries today risk being beaten to death by their own fathers and brothers for shaming the family by getting raped.

                  You are a despicable piece of shit.

                  And you prove my point that opposing a victim’s unilateral right to murder their rapist in the name of opposing vengeance or whatever the hell excuse you conjure up when it’s convenient is rape apologia.

                  You’re speaking from intense paranoia to justify hunting down someone that wronged you.

                  Holy fuck. You actually believe all that dumb shit those movies millennials grew up with shoved down your throat.

                  Did you ever sit and think about anything anyone said to the protagonists in those movies with any critical thought whatsoever? Or did you blindly adopt the hollow, wrongheaded thinking they wanted you to have?

                  We both know the answer to that. And quite frankly, if all you have to appeal to are empty, hollow, trite cliches to make your point, I am not impressed.

                  Like the cop pigs that idolize the Punisher, you don’t care about justice, just assuaging your own violent tendencies with a more socially acceptable target.

                  Holy shit, the projection is real.

                  You know I am a survivor of this sort of thing, right? I am one of the 1 in 6 that has been sexually assaulted in my lifetime. Several times. And when I speak my words are honed in the fires of raw, hard experience, while your privileged ass clearly knows nothing about it.

                  I speak of granting the power of violence to rape victims because I, along with everyone who agrees with the meme, sees clearly the very real danger and very real suffering inflicted on innocent victims every day, and we recognize that their right to remove the rapist from their existence is a natural right which transcends any garbage rape culture bullshit their worthless society is peddling.

                  And do you know anything about Punisher? Ever read the comics? The 90’s Garth Ennis run? Your whole mindset is nothing but a pre-calibrated laundry list of thought terminating cliches from that era so I am sure you are.

                  You ever read the Slavers arc? Where Punisher tortures cops to save human trafficking victims?

                  You ever read every other arc where he saves rape victims and brutally murders their rapists on the regular?

                  You read when he murders cops? All the time?

                  That’s WHY we laugh at pigs for bearing the Punisher symbol and why we shake our head at you in disappointment for being so flagrantly ignorant.

                  You reek of privilege. Shut the fuck up.

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                    You realize I explicitly said that in the moment to stop the act was justifiable as self defense right? My entire point was that outside of direct self defense, you should not track down people that wronged you to murder them.

                    Every scenario you’ve thrown out in this rant would not lead to a better outcome if they started gunning people down. It would just multiply the trauma.

                    And what projection? I’m not trying to justify violence against anyone. You’re so upset you don’t even know what you’re saying. You advocate not for fixing the problems that exist but creating new ones.

                    Btw you ever read the parts of the punisher where he says that his existence is not something to want or desire and that he only exists when justice is broken.

                    You know all these bits from the comics yet the overarching theme of them seems to zoom straight past you.

                    Maybe Count of Monte Christo or The Last of Us 2 are not too subtle to get past your close minded rage. That girl in Steubenville would likely face similar if not worse mob action had she murdered the person that was being protected based on how backwater the justice system sounds there.

                    You’re so caught up in justifying your bloodlust that you lose sight of actually dealing with the issues you want to solve.

                    Bottom line, you want to kill criminals, don’t be surprised when they take measures to kill you first. Or don’t be surprised when their clique tracks you down for a little bit of their own vengeance.

                    Focus your energy on something productive and therapeutic before you get yourself thrown in prison.