Aysenur Ezgi Eygi, a human rights activist, was protesting an illegal West Bank settlement when she was reportedly shot in the head by Israeli soldiers.
  • SassyRamen@lemmy.world
    332·
    3 months ago

    Americans are upset, just politicians are afraid to lose their annual bribes if they talk outside of church.

    • CeruleanRuin@lemmings.worldEnglish
      31·
      3 months ago

      The other side gives bribes too. The only difference is that Israel has a stronger lobby and a bigger pot to finance their payoffs.

      This will never end until we get the money out of politics.

      • 4_degrees@lemmy.world
        31·
        3 months ago

        Wait, what’s the other side that pays folks to free Palestine? Honest question, because if they exist, they sure are doing a shit job.

  • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
    2010·
    2 months ago

    They responded to this in the past: https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/traveladvisories/israel-west-bank-and-gaza-travel-advisory.html

    This kind of thing is entirely predictable and US citizens have been warned by the State Department about there being an active conflict happening in the area.

    So a US citizen died while ignoring a travel advisory from the US government. US citizenship doesn’t make someone invincible, and it doesn’t mean the US military is going to avenge your death (or whatever fantasy you can come up with) if you’re deliberately ignoring the warnings about an area of the world being dangerous. The obligation of protecting citizens was fulfilled by issuing the warning.

    • orcrist@lemm.ee
      32·
      2 months ago

      There is no legal obligation to protect citizens. Is there an ethical obligation? Kind of no, for reasons you listed, but kind of yes, because the cause of death was predictable and it’s something in the US has partial control over.

      From a practical standpoint, we all agree that the US won’t do anything, because they certainly aren’t worried about pacifists in war zones where one of the sides is getting its weapons from the United States.

      • Crashumbc@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        2 months ago

        Although there are a bunch of ways the US can apply pressure. I think people overestimate the power ceasing weapon sales would have. While I believe it is the ethically right thing to do. It wouldn’t really hinder Israel’s ability to wage this war. It is allowing them to maintain their very vast stockpiles. But they could probably go years without even getting low, much less running out, without external weapons.

      • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
        33·
        2 months ago

        Yeah a country has an ethical obligation to protect it’s citizens. Which is why countries issue travel advisories. If you ignore the warnings your country is giving you, that ethical obligation doesn’t apply because it was already fulfilled by the warning.

        “Don’t go over there, it’s dangerous!”

        “Screw you, I’m not listening to you!”

        Problem happens.

        “Why did you allow this dangerous thing to happen???”

  • bender223@lemmy.todayEnglish
    41·
    2 months ago

    Biden will wag his finger at Bibi, and give him $1 bil less the next round of funding. Boy is that gonna sting .

    /s

  • sumguyonline@lemmy.world
    1816·
    3 months ago

    Democrats are limp wristed when it comes to Israel. Expect more death, they won’t raise a finger to stop it. Republicans aren’t any better.

    • InternetUser2012@lemmy.today
      215·
      3 months ago

      Both sides huh? Last I heard the Democrats are negotiating a peace treaty and the Republikkklowns are writing finish them on the bombs.

      What’s your angle?

      • goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org
        718·
        3 months ago

        Amazing how that it’s already done peace deal still isn’t done. Almost like dems and bibi don’t care about getting it done

        • EleventhHour@lemmy.world
          184·
          3 months ago

          The US has presented 3 separate peace deals that everyone has accepted but Netanyahu has sabotaged at the last minute. That is not the fault of “the Dems”.

          At the same time, Republicans have yet to do anything but cheer on the genocide in Gaza and the violence in the West Bank.

          • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
            88·
            3 months ago

            The US has presented 3 separate peace deals that everyone has accepted but Netanyahu has sabotaged at the last minute.

            Because Netanyahu knows he’ll keep getting his genocidin’ weapons no matter what he does.

            • EleventhHour@lemmy.world
              71·
              3 months ago

              There are Republicans in Congress voting to authorize those packages, too.

              And still no Republicans calling for peace or trying to get Netanyahu to accept the terms of the peace deals, nor Republicans decrying the genocide in Gaza or the West Bank…

              • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
                57·
                3 months ago

                Congratulations on having two parties that vote for the policies you support. Not getting how that is some sort of comeback to my assertion that Netanyahu is getting the weapons no matter what he does.

                • InternetUser2012@lemmy.today
                  25·
                  3 months ago

                  You know the deal. You know what’s happening, I asked what’s your angle and you seem to refuse to answer that. I’ll give you a quick ELI5, Iran will run roughshot over the middle east if there isn’t someone there to keep them inline. Israel is that someone. If you don’t see that, you’re either wearing blinders, or you’re a bad actor.

          • goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org
            67·
            3 months ago

            Why would Israel do anything if they can keep going and have no consequences?

            Notice how many othet administrations, including Republicans, have managed to reign in Israel. Yet all this one does is well let me wag my fingers harder

        • CeruleanRuin@lemmings.worldEnglish
          4·
          3 months ago

          The lobbyists getting fat and rich off their layouts from weapons manufacturers will ensure it never gets done. Who do you think Israel is getting all their guns and drones and missiles from? Guess what? It’s the same place Hamas gets theirs from. The only difference between them is the number of bank accounts and off-the-books deals on the way there.

          Those bombs will keep flowing to both sides as long as money keeps flowing back. Ideology has nothing to do with it. It’s all about the cash.

        • InternetUser2012@lemmy.today
          95·
          3 months ago

          I love your blaming the dems as the world sits by. It’s wild how the dems are more powerful than world combined. Weird almost.

          • nednobbins@lemm.ee
            41·
            3 months ago

            The rest of the world combined isn’t funneling billions of dollars worth of weapons into the conflict.

            • InternetUser2012@lemmy.today
              45·
              3 months ago

              The 10 year weapons deal signed in 2016? You do you, I’ll blame Israel for the genocide and the rest of the world that isn’t pushing for a peace treaty like the US currently is.

              • nednobbins@lemm.ee
                53·
                2 months ago

                I have no idea why you keep bringing up that particular deal. It’s not like it’s the only or even last deal the US has signed.

                The US hasn’t stopped. The US went out of its way to ensureassure Israel that there wouldn’t even be any delays in shipments.

                The US is blatantly enabling genocide and it’s currently headed by the Biden administration.

                • InternetUser2012@lemmy.today
                  45·
                  3 months ago

                  I’ll lay out for you since you seem to be struggling, that or you have some form of narrative you’re trying to push, but you wouldn’t be doing that right?

                  Israel is committing a genocide that the US is trying to get a cease fire/peace treaty for. That’s more than the rest of world but you don’t care because??? Narrative? Without support to Israel, Iran would run roughshot through the middle east killing more people and causing bigger problems. That’s why the world hasn’t stepped in and stomped Israel. It’s like the world is playing chess and you’re playing tic tac toe.

                  Save your bullshit response. There’s nothing else to be said.

              • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
                23·
                2 months ago

                The 10 year weapons deal signed in 2016?

                The Leahy Law prohibits selling weapons for genocide. Keep ignoring this because it’s something you don’t want to hear and call me a foreign shill some more. Lying in support of genocide is all centrists do.

                • InternetUser2012@lemmy.today
                  32·
                  2 months ago

                  10 U.S. Code 2249 section b:

                  Exception.—The prohibition in subsection (a)(1) shall not apply if the Secretary of Defense, after consultation with the Secretary of State, determines that the government of such country has taken all necessary corrective steps, or if the equipment or other assistance is necessary to assist in disaster relief operations or other humanitarian or national security emergencies.

                  I don’t have a degree in political science, and I’m not a lawyer but there’s the answer to your Leahy Law, but the last three words should sum it up. It also is talking about aid and not an existing contract. The more you know right?

                  You keep saying I support genocide, this is false and an outright lie. I’ve said over and over I do not support a genocide, not the one in Israel, China, or Ukraine. You’ve only mentioned Israel and you blame the US. What I find the most odd is this talk has been going on for a while. “Genocide Joe” that was the talking point, all you saw, everywhere. Genocide Joe. Then, Joe Biden drops out and SILENCE. No more talk of genocide for days. Nothing. Now everyone got their bearings straight and here we are again with all the “people” talking about the US and the dems fault for the genocide.

                  Why was there a break when Joe Biden dropped out? A real head scratcher isn’t it?

              • SoJB@lemmy.mlEnglish
                610·
                3 months ago

                Let me get this straight. Liberals are now, unironically, using international law as a defense for being the primary arms supplier of a literal genocide. And that’s supposed to be an excuse to vote Blue MAGA.

                Lmao

  • YeetPics@mander.xyz
    56·
    3 months ago

    I wonder Ozma, what would you have the US do?

    (This is for OP, others need not reply)

  • InternetUser2012@lemmy.today
    79·
    3 months ago

    Protesting in a war zone of a foreign country on the side that started it and knowing how Israel is executing a genocide is a whole new level of stupid.

    • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
      43·
      2 months ago

      Shooting protesters is wrong. Even if they’re protesting a genocide that you support.

      • InternetUser2012@lemmy.today
        33·
        2 months ago

        I don’t support any genocide. I support a cease fire/peace treaty, something you don’t seem to understand or support, but narrative amirite?

        • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
          13·
          2 months ago

          I don’t support any genocide. I support a cease fire/peace treaty, something you don’t seem to understand or support, but narrative amirite?

          As long as we keep selling Netanyahu weapons, he will continue committing genocide. He’ll keep stringing us along by making positive cooing noises about wanting peace, and then yank the football away at the last moment.

          You want to keep pursuing something that you know will never work. Netanyahu isn’t interested in peace. He’s interested in continuing the genocide that keeps him in power.