It’s an interesting diet this breed needs. Basically small frozen scraps, but very rich in content. Their digestive systems evolved as nomads north of the Arctic Circle and know nothing else, so a bit of care needs to be taken. His body will do a lot with the vital scraps of tundra animals, and doesn’t know how to handle big foreign diets which make him unenergetic and unwell after a few meals.

Tonight’s menu is sheep and beef tripe—their organs go well, but their meat and fat doesn’t.

Frozen salmon cuts—these dogs know fish as well as reindeer and love frozen meet. They extract all the goods from them.

And a rabbit foot—Fur and bone is common in their diet and helps clean. They can start to poop bad without fur fibre.

One of the more tame dishes considering the other weird off cuts of bits and pieces he gets. Thought some may find it interesting for a bit of an unusual breed outside of Finland.

Edit: And yeah, the photo makes the meal look big and him small. But he’s 20kg and that dish is about 3/4 a banana in diameter.

  • Commodore@lemmy.worldEnglish
    8114·
    3 months ago

    You’re insane if you think the breed needs this. You can feed a Finnish Lapphund any type of dog food. It’s not a magical being from another dimension.

    • StayDoomed@lemmy.worldEnglish
      23·
      3 months ago

      Can confirm. Had a Finnish lapphund that lived over 12 years on kibble and frozen raw food. She was the best girl.

      • _stranger_@lemmy.worldEnglish
        21·
        3 months ago

        I think the owners probably know this, but If they have the means to spoil the ever living shit out of their dog, more power to them. I’d feed my dog snack steaks if I could.

        I wonder if the frozen-ness is actually good for them or not. I can’t imagine a dog turning its nose up at unfrozen meat.

        • kielimieli@r-sauna.fiEnglish
          9·
          3 months ago

          I wonder if the frozen-ness is actually good for them or not

          The frozen stuff can be better for their teeth at least. If they have to chew and work more to eat it, that cleans the teeth better than just wet floppy meats.

        • saltesc@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
          81·
          3 months ago

          It’s true. Off cuts and leftovers from the butchers and hunters are “spoils” that bleed the bank dry, but I can’t afford fancy tin food like on the TV.

          Fortunately, his meals are often free depending on how the day went.

        • Evil_incarnate@lemm.eeEnglish
          1·
          3 months ago

          My dog prefers his raw meatballs frozen, but cut up. He will eat them thawed, but after everything else if he’s not full.

      • kielimieli@r-sauna.fiEnglish
        13·
        3 months ago

        Good grade dogfood is nothing like burgers and ice cream though. There’s not enough information of the diet OP uses so no comment on that, but it is easier to make dogs sick by feeding them only pure meat than with just kibble. Obviously don’t buy the cheapest processed shitty dog food, but please also do consult a vet and do some research before trying to feed a raw diet as well. Wetfoods and kibble tend to have the vitamins and fibers and all that added, but feeding a raw those need to be considered more.

        And lapphunds 100% don’t need fancy meats any more than other breeds - nekin on tosiaan vaan koiria eikä mitään ihmeen taikaolentoja.

  • kamenLady.@lemmy.worldEnglish
    233·
    3 months ago

    A rabbit foot—Fur and bone is common in their diet and helps clean. They can start to poop bad without fur fibre.

    TIL

    • Anyolduser@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
      392·
      3 months ago

      Maybe talk to a vet or do some reading to verify literally anything a Lemmy user says. I’ve encountered more lunatics here than anywhere else and OP thinks his dog is magic and can only eat frozen foods.

      Just sayin.

      • saltesc@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
        42·
        3 months ago

        You could, but a vet will remind you that lappies (and most other dogs) catch, kill, and eat furred animals for tens of thousands of years. Perhaps more modern breeds may be special, but not the ancient dogs. They are simple as long as diet matches the biome they evolved in, otherwise it can get messy (lol) and they are less energetic.

            • Anyolduser@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
              3·
              3 months ago

              Okay, you asked for it. Here you go, served hot and fresh from the American Kennel Club:

              https://www.akc.org/dog-breeds/finnish-lapphund/#:~:text=Nutrition,nutrients the Finnish Lapphund needs.

              “A high-quality dog food appropriate to the dog’s age (puppy, adult, or senior) will have all the nutrients the Finnish Lapphund needs. Treats can be an important aid in training, but giving too many can cause obesity. Give table scraps sparingly, if at all, especially avoiding cooked bones.”

              Not only is your dog not some kind of special, mythical creature - you should be making sure it can’t access bones. Hopefully next time you’ll learn to keep your trap shut before you start saying dumb shit in public.

              • saltesc@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
                1·
                3 months ago

                I didn’t ask for anything, but you’ve managed to find information that says, “Feed your dog food.” Cool.

                Unsurprisingly, you will see this same text on the other breeds. It’s the AKC so information is generic and minimal.

                Somehow it seems this may be a surprise to you, but different breeds have different dietary requirements, You are meant to know these well and stick to them as the side effects of not doing this become apparent, such is the case with all special, mythical creatures dogs I have had. Some are easy, some are more difficult. Diet should be well-researched before getting any breed or you could end up at the vet, finding out there. And, yes, in addition to everything else, his local vet and a vet friend prescribe the same diet.

                you should be making sure it can’t access bones.

                Now you’re just making stuff up or didn’t read your own “source”. Or the Sami were doing it wrong for 3,000 years and it’s a wonder the breed survived! /s

                Well, we know now dogs need food, but what is “all the nutrients the Finnish Lapphund needs”? Well, I’m glad you didn’t ask…

                They should be having around 15–20% of their meal being raw bone, obviously not cooked or hollowed. For most dogs on raw diets, the standard is around 7–15%. Additionally, apart from their large canine fangs, their teeth are mostly very large splitters specifically for bone as much of their diet is carcasses. Reindeer, rabbit, fish, often partially frozen as they’re nomadic. Many other spitz breeds share this trait like buhunds, lundehunds, and malamutes. They can have dry foods, but it isn’t as easy to consume with those teeth and a high moisture diet is needed as they quickly start having digestive issues on dries—a lot of gas and blockages, he will begin whimpering and stop eating after about a week. It is like if you were suddenly forced to eat something the human body does not know how to handle. Though, other dogs I’ve had have eaten only dry foods and thrive with them, as simple as grabbing a good bag from the pet store.

                The other key is omegas as they have evolved on a heavy fish diet and their body demands it much more for their insane coat and its production. He certainly needs more than my other double-coated dogs. Again, this isn’t unusual for many spitz breeds from colder parts of Europe. Not doing this results in huge energy drops and a poor coat. They are extremely resourceful with fats compared to many other breeds, but still require much more so whole fish and berries are regular. Considering this guy is out in the snow for days on end at times, covering long distances, he relies on that famous lappie coat and good energy reserves. It’s 1C right now and he’s out sleeping in the cold by choice. They can manage -30C before needing a heat source, provided they’re getting the proper fats.

                Not that you’d care, but there are entire books about this, including written by the Sami themselves. Obviously none of it stops at “feed it high quality food.” Yeah, duh. That’s true for any special, mythical creature dog, or you’re just an ignorant owner.

    • superkret@feddit.orgEnglish
      7·
      3 months ago

      Don’t L too much cause it’s wrong. You can feed them dog food just as well as any other dog.

      • saltesc@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
        5·
        3 months ago

        When I have done this in the past, he has become unwell and unenergetic. Because I am responsible for his well-being, it is cruel to conscientiously neglect it. Fur is not a extensive thing, but is given in a meal once or twice a week. Bone is in every meal.

        It may not be necessary for all breeds, however this topic has been covered extensively—especially for Lapphunds and similar breeds—and therefore there is a wealth of information available to you if you would like to have a quick look into it. As a dog owner, a primary responsibility is ensuring they’re healthy, just as much as you hopefully look after your own health. A Finnish Lapphund has a noticeable uptick in health and behaviour when their diet is looked after. I have had many dogs and this breed is more unique in diet than others. It is one of the noteable points raised and discussed when deciding to care for one; again, you can easily find information on this yourself. If you have a lappie and have somehow missed this, I strongly encourage you to look it up, especially for their longevity. Their teeth structure alone highlight the reliability of bone in their diets as well.

        Edit: And a benefit here is that rabbits are invasive and endanger native wildlife. So it is more ethical, healthier, and available option than fur and feather supplements.

  • Duberstein@lemmy.worldEnglish
    17·
    3 months ago

    What does this cost on a monthly basis?

    And where are you finding so many available rabbit feet?

    • saltesc@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      8·
      3 months ago

      Not too much. I would say about $30. I go to the fish market and butcher a lot for herring, sardines, offcuts, etc. and these are always cheap. But I do order some stuff online (like the tripe).

      Rabbits are an invasive species here and constantly culled. It’s not their fault, but they endanger other native species, so there’s plenty of rabbit feet going around.

  • Geometrinen_Gepardi@sopuli.xyzEnglish
    41·
    3 months ago

    In Lapland you can casually pull a salmon from the river that’s worth 100€ in a supermarket in the south. So much food that the dog is feasting too.

    This reminds me I need to smoke a side soon.

    • saltesc@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      1·
      3 months ago

      We have similar where I live, but trout. It is incredibly cheap here but becomes expensive as you travel away. He loves trout and tries to hunt for it, but has never been successful because he is too excited and loud as he approaches. I hear they are excellent at fishing, but so far he is not 🤣