“After extensive consultation, discussion, and deliberation, the American Muslim 2024 Election Task Force has decided to encourage American Muslims to vote for any presidential candidate of their choosing who supports a permanent ceasefire in Gaza and a US arms embargo on the Israeli government, such as candidates Dr Jill Stein, Dr Cornel West or Chase Oliver,” read the statement, obtained by Middle East Eye.
The statement was written by the American Muslim 2024 Election Task Force, an umbrella group formed this year that consists of a number of prominent Muslim organisations including the political arms of Americans for Justice in Palestine (AJP), Cair, and the US Council of Muslim Organizations.
“We cannot endorse Vice President Kamala Harris’ candidacy because of her refusal to even consider imposing the arms embargo on the Israeli government required by US laws and her failure to promise any other changes whatsoever to President Biden’s failed policy of steadfast financial, diplomatic and military support for Israel’s genocide in Gaza,” the statement read.
Let me just say to those who say voting for a third party candidate is a waste of a vote, it is not. Either way, the person who wins will see how many votes that candidate got, and will know that that is the way many people FEEL about a specific issue. Then they will have to cater to that view in someway.
Haaaaahahahhahaaaaahhaahahhaahahhaaahahahahhaaaaaa. That’s the funniest joke I’ve heard in a long time. I agree that neither Harris or Trump have the best interests of Palestinians at heart but Harris will make at least some saber rattling to try to stem the bloodshed vs Trump who will be happy to sell more weapons to anyone who wants to wipe Palestine off the map.
Palestinians and those who care about them and middle easterners and islmamic folk of any kind need to realize that they need trump in office. He has pogroms ready and waiting tailor made for you and anyone alive who has experienced one will tell you they are great.
Are any of these people actually relevant? Because this is not how you get your way, so I really hope they are not representing any actual constituent communities.
This is basically a self fulfilling prophecy. People are told that they can only vote for one of the two parties which makes every other candidate irrelevant.
What do you propose Muslim-Americans do to stop genocide?
Either way, Muslim-Americans make up a significant population in Michigan, enough to sway the swing state. Harris is playing with fire with her commitment to maintaining the Party Line on genocide.
I think you can figure this one out if you try.
Telling your members to vote third party six weeks before the election is the exact opposite of that.
This is saying “we have no power, we give up”.
Voting for Harris is saying “we have no power, we give up”. It’s allowing the Democratic Party to deteriorate further into an imperialist party. They’re going to get so much worse if they come to believe they can kill unlimited Palestinians and face zero consequences.
And what would the Republican response be? The exact same, or even worse, they care even less about people in general unless they are millionaire donors.
Because no third party is winning this election, so those are the two actual results possible. Any other choice won’t accomplish anything at all, no matter what you keep telling yourself. In the real world, at this time, voting for a 3rd party doesn’t teach the major parties anything. It just throws your vote away. Which you are free to do, but don’t think you’re somehow better than others voting for a candidate that could actually be in office. 3rd party candidates can say whatever they want, they’ll never have to actually follow through on any of it.
The Republican response is irrelevant because we have no power to move them.
We may have some, however slight, power to move Democrats.
If Democrats win despite doing genocide, they will also get worse. It will prove they can kill as many people as they want and face zero consequences, and they will absolutely take full advantage and double down.
The Republican response could be worse, but as a result of Trump the Democrats would be forced to oppose them. I don’t hold out hope that Democrats finally reject Israel but the pro-Palestinian caucus within the Party will become much stronger while the pro-Israel caucus weakens.
Do not forget Trump oversaw the largest protest movement in American history. With a little more organization and less reliance on spontaneity we can defeat him while he’s still in office.
With a little more organization and less reliance on spontaneity we can defeat him while he’s still in office.
I want what you’re smoking.
If the rapist gets into office, say goodbye to Ukraine, goodbye to Palestine (remember, his kid is eyeing up property there already) and potentially goodbye to NATO. If the US leaves that, Putin will move further into Europe, and the question of “where will WWIII kick off?” stops being an automatic “in the Middle East”.
Giving 34 Felonies another go at the presidency would be disastrous. For a lot more then just the idiots that voted third party.
If the rapist gets into office
We currently have one in office, another issue Democrat voters rolled over on. MeWho?
If Trump wins he’ll probably just negotiate a surrender where they get to annex Eastern Ukraine. I really doubt Russia has any interest in expanding farther. There’s literally no point. They want a region of Ukraine that is Russian speaking, has a warm water sea port, is rich in natural gas, and is a breadbasket. Plus, a buffer zone against NATO.
They’re not, like, cartoon villains.
I think you can figure this one out if you try.
Seems like you’re hinting that they should just accept that genocide is a fact of life for Muslims, instead of pressuring to change it. Easy to say when you aren’t the target.
Telling your members to vote third party six weeks before the election is the exact opposite of that.
Stein has been polling ahead of Harris for months with Muslim-American voters, this isn’t a new thing. Harris has had the time and information to pivot, and hasn’t.
No Muslim country is helping Palestine.
Are you lying intentionally here or are you just completely ignorant?
Lebanon, Yemen, Iran. Read up.
You need to read more yourself. Yemen takes none. There are camps in Lebanon but the people remain stateless. And so on … Just some basic googling will help you learn.
Do some more than basic googling.
Seems like you’re hinting that they should just accept that genocide is a fact of life for Muslims, instead of pressuring to change it.
Hell no. But this is politics. Taking your ball and going home gets you nothing.
If you have the power to swing Michigan you are the most important voters in the election that don’t live in Pennsylvania. You can leverage that into a deal.
But you are going to have to be clear that you’re asking. “Stop the genocide” isn’t it. She’s not the one killing people. The only person that can actually stop the genocide is Bibi. He’s not on the ballot in November. You have to make an ask and it’s gotta be clear and it’s got to be something that you can realistically get.
Also, the other guys need to be convinced you can hold up your own side of the deal. Can you deliver Michigan? Or are you just posturing?
The way I see it, this statement gets no progress on the first, and actively harms the second. After this statement, an endorsement from them would be worse than useless. If these organizations can’t deliver Michigan, the campaign will just roll the dice with the “moderates”.
This statement is political malpractice.
Easy to say when you aren’t the target.
What the actual fuck dude.
What are you even talking about? They are making concrete demands, one of them being an arms embargo which Kamala has said won’t happen. The way a deal works is if the other side doesn’t accept your offer you don’t just cave and perform your side of the bargain. And judging by the fact that Kamala hasn’t proposed anything other than the same vague support for a ceasefire Biden has shown they haven’t even tried to push for anything else that might satisfy this constituency.
If you have the power to swing Michigan you are the most important voters in the election that don’t live in Pennsylvania. You can leverage that into a deal.
That’s what they are doing. Promising unconditional support for Harris despite her pushing for continued genocide has no leverage.
But you are going to have to be clear that you’re asking. “Stop the genocide” isn’t it. She’s not the one killing people. The only person that can actually stop the genocide is Bibi. He’s not on the ballot in November. You have to make an ask and it’s gotta be clear and it’s got to be something that you can realistically get.
Israel is a vassal state that depends on the support of the US. Absolving the US of the deeds of the vassal it provides weapons and munitions for is wrong, the deeds require the support of the US to continue.
What the actual fuck dude.
Talk to Muslim-Americans. They aren’t stupid, or lacking in critical thinking. The ones voting Green are doing so because they can’t support genocide, and realize that witholding support is the only way to force any kind of hand.
That’s what they are doing. Promising unconditional support for Harris despite her pushing for continued genocide has no leverage.
No. They are telling their constituent to vote third party as early voting is getting underway. They are literally setting fire to their political capital while there’s still six weeks to figure out something that both sides can be happy with.
Israel is a vassal state that depends on the support of the US.
I mean, if you truly believe that then I guess the whole system is compromised and you gotta burn it all down. But it’s not something that has actual salience outside conspiratorial circles and the people that amplify them for their own ends.
No. They are telling their constituent to vote third party as early voting is getting underway. They are literally setting fire to their political capital while there’s still six weeks to figure out something that both sides can be happy with.
They are standing their ground. Harris can reach out at any time she wants and change course.
I mean, if you truly believe that then I guess the whole system is compromised and you gotta burn it all down.
I mean, correct. Do you disagree?
But it’s not something that has actual salience outside conspiratorial circles and the people that amplify them for their own ends.
You sure? It’s quite salient among actual Palestinians, if you’d for once listen to them, which cascades to Muslim-American voters which cascades to swing-state results and the overall US Federal election.
CAIR and USCMO are the biggest Muslim organizations in the U.S. In negotiations Democrats were unwilling to make any concessions for Palestine. Voting for Harris anyway would be counterproductive.
Trump does have a plan to end the suffering of the Palestinians, forever.
Yeah, the same one Harris does, because they both unconditionally support the genocide! It’s not like Trump would invade Palestine (short of a broader regional conflict)
Trump doesn’t have any plans. He just does whatever dumb bullshit pops in his head.
And if they bleed away enough people from Harris, that guarantees a Trump win. A 3rd party cannot win. The only alternative to Harris is Trump.
You know, the guy who wants Israel to kill people faster:
https://apnews.com/article/trump-biden-israel-pr-hugh-hewitt-21faee332d95fec99652c112fbdcd35d
“They’re losing the PR war. They’re losing it big. But they’ve got to finish what they started, and they’ve got to finish it fast, and we have to get on with life.”
Who wants to revoke the citizenship from Americans:
https://www.aclu.org/documents/trump-administrations-plan-strip-citizenship-thousands-americans
Detain them in concentration camps:
And do the same thing to Mexico that Israel does to Lebanon:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_occupation_of_Southern_Lebanon
Maybe democrats should’ve thought of that before participating in a genocide.
Sounds like Harris needs to try to win back disaffected Muslim-Americans turned away by her promise to continue genocide.
Problem: She’s not advocating for continued genocide:
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/harris-face-black-journalists-questions-philadelphia-2024-09-17/
Speaking in Philadelphia to the National Association of Black Journalists, she called for a ceasefire between Israel and Palestinian Hamas militants, a two-state solution and Middle East stability in a way that does not empower Iran.
Repeatedly:
https://www.npr.org/2024/08/23/g-s1-19232/kamala-harris-israel-gaza-dnc
She and President Biden are still pushing for a cease-fire deal that sees the hostages released, the fighting in Gaza to end and so “Palestinian people can realize their right to dignity, security, freedom and self determination.”
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn0lx2xgn55o
Ms Harris said “far too many” civilians had been killed "yet again"and reiterated calls for a hostage deal and a ceasefire, echoing comments made by the White House.
None of that is “pro-genocide”.
How do you achieve those things without a weapons embargo? Harris has said that there will never be an embargo.
She hasn’t even given the vaguest clue as to what her plan is. She’s just “working on it”. “24/7”, she says, and yet she somehow still has time to go to rallies.
To add insult to injury, the Democrats wouldn’t even allow a Palestinian-American to speak during their convention. They allowed a bunch of Republicans to speak, but not a single Palestinian-American Democrat.
I heard the speech that the Palestinian-American rep wanted to give. There was nothing in it that should’ve upset the DNC. It didn’t even mention an embargo!
If the Democrats keep spitting in your face, how long do you keep giving them your votes?
The Biden admin has corrupted “ceasefire” to mean “pause in the fighting to get the hostages back”. Biden has made a big show of cursing out Bibi on the phone and other performative bullshit, but he has not strayed from Israel’s side even as they’ve betrayed him and promoted Trump. Harris is the same, giving lip service to human rights activists and bombs to genociders.
No, Harris and the Biden administration are pretending to push for a ceasefire deal, and Harris is pretending to give a shit about Palestinian civilians. They could have stopped this at any time with a phone call; it’s been done before.
Starts off saying Trump is worse and then turns to straight up lying and misinformation. Classic.
You would never mislead people into thinking you were pro Palestine whilst actually being pro trump, would you now Linkerbaan?
Everyone who disagrees with me that genocide is intolerable is actually a conspirator
Come on, say Russian bot, I’m almost there!
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They are equally pathetic statements. You can’t reconcile the idea of someone having a position to your left, so they must secretly be to your right!
He does recycle actual Russian propaganda though. If you call him out on it, he deletes it and pretends it never happened. I caught him out three times.
Indeed. Only Democrats would be as hypocritical pretend to be pro-Palestine while actually advocating for the Genocide of Palestinians.
I think you’re confusing me with Nikki “Finish them” Haley and Donald J “King of Israel” Trump.
This is a continuation of Biden’s genocidal policies, not a new promise to end the genocide. The DNC is losing heavily in optics, so they are trying to fight optics with empty promises while maintaning unending support for Israel’s “Right to Defend Itself.” If you have any knowledge of Israel’s existence as a settler-colonial apartheid state, or why the US will always support it, then you know that Harris’s promises are hollow and empty, and signify continued genocide.
Here’s a simple thought experiment: why has the US historically supported Israel, and how would that change?
And what about Trump winning is going to make that better? I don’t get it.
If you can’t understand how holding candidates accountable is important, then what else is there to tell you. This isn’t about Trump making anything better, it’s about withholding vote from a candidate that does not represent you.
Nothing. Harris won’t make it better either, both major candidates support genocide.
Ah yes. BoTh SIDes are completely the same. You’re not even slightly offended by calls to “Finish them” from the republicans? Written on an Israeli bomb?
Does it make the bomb stronger? If Harris cries when the next shipment goes, does it misfire?
They talk differently, but you have yet to identify how that is not also what Harris wants
Problem: She’s not advocating for continued genocide
Have you seen the vassal state comment up thread? He thinks the US has absolute control over Israel and that the war in Gaza is an expression of Biden and Harris’ will.
This is not a productive conversation.
Have you seen the vassal state comment up thread? He thinks the US has absolute control over Israel and that the war in Gaza is an expression of Biden and Harris’ will.
Not quite.
Israel is a vassal state. It requires US support to continue genocide. The US supports Israel because Israel serves as a Bulwark for Imperialism in the Middle East to help ensure US Interests are respected. The genocide in Gaza is specifically a result of the entire Zionist project of Settler-Colonialism. It isn’t an expression of Biden and Harris’ will, but of their undying loyalty to the economic interests of the US Empire.
Consider reading To stop Marx, they made Zion. Zionism is Antisemetic, fascist, and predicated on genocide.
Zionism is Antisemetic, fascist, and predicated on genocide.
An ethno-state is fascist? Who would’ve thought?
As far as being antisemitic…if you love people, you don’t want to ship them off to some faraway country in the middle of the desert. It’s basically saying “Hey, we don’t want to deal with antisemitism in our country, so could you all just move to this other country instead? K thanx.”
White supremacists and other racists love ethno-states. They think that every country should be like Israel. In fact, they want to turn the US into a country like Israel, except based around whiteness instead of Jewishness.
The random capitals really sell it.
You can lead a liberal to analysis, but you can’t make them read, I suppose.
Smart.
We should give trump another turn… that’ll be good for Muslims I bet.
Hey, bud, I’m betting the actual Muslims who are affected probably have a better grasp of the situation and their values and associated risks/benefits behind their own advocacy and politics than your (presumably highly privileged) disconnected-from-their-struggle self; and inserting yourself to belittle them as if you know better than they theymselfs what’s ‘good for them,’ is a very chauvinist and colonialist outlook and a reinforcement of white supremacist norms and attitudes. You should try listening rather than projecting and belittling.
There was an article posted in another magazine thread that spoke about needing to iterate America’s core values. What are they? Freedom to starve and be homeless, or be locked up and become a chattel slave, or work several jobs as s wage slave; freedom of press owned by a handful of superwealthy people and corporations, many of whom are in the energy and arms industries; freedom of low quality food that contain carcinogenic pesticide residues, colors, flavors and growth hormones and routine antibiotics. Freedom to die from easily treatable conditions because you can’t afford care of medications, even if you purchase mandated Medicare?
Justice? For whom? The people who are incarcerated because of fabricated evidence of having to take plea deals because you can’t afford a good lawyer? The ones executed, despite exculpatory evidence? How about executive branch government members who lead insurrection, or legislators that make insider trading legal for themselves but not us, or of the legislative branch who take gifts of great monetary value and have loans forgiven?
How about too big to fail industries?
Freedom of speech? Two tiered.
Profit at the expense of all else; making sure the USD remains the world reserve currency, by manufacturing fake wmds to invade a sovereign nation, so that nation would not convert their UN food-for-oil account from petrodollar to Petroeuro? Taking foreign money to defeat more progressive candidates that would absolutely vote not to support genocide with money, weapons, air support? Conveniently forgetting concern over certain nations’ infatuation with Nazi idealism to continue the tired red scare propaganda?
Guns!
What are America’s core values?
Unfortunately we have a 2 party system.
A or B
A sucks and B is much worse
Voting for C or abstaining is a passive endorsement of the greater of the two sucks.
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If you and the Muslim community want to hump for a third party, good, let’s fucken talk about getting that started…
The day AFTER Election Day. —
The day after election day. The day on which you no longer have any leverage.
Liberals and an inability to grasp electoralism. Name a more iconic duo.
