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This kinda thing can’t be reduced to a single number, how do you compare the US, where trans people often can’t afford HRT in the best states, and are literally unable to get it in Florida, to Iran, where it’s free, but surgery is mandatory and being gay is punishable by death?
A place where hatecrimes aren’t uncommon, but there is some level of legal protection, to a place with far fewer hatecrimes/discrimination, but no special legal protections?
Very few subjects can be represented by one graph and still give you the whole story. You could say this about almost anything posted here. I think it’s useful and interesting enough to be here.
… Iran, where it’s free, but surgery is mandatory and being gay is punishable by death?
It’s free because it’s the “sentence” for being gay. Get an operation or be executed.
I’m not quite sure how punitive it is. Basically they fully acknowledge trans people, but not homosexuality, so everyone gets pushed into the trans category.
Yes, the point is a binary trans Iranian who wants surgery is less oppressed in Iran on the axis of being trans than in America, but they’re quite obviously worse for someone in nearly any other position.
Those are some real heavy blinders you’ve got on.
Edit: More specifically, on this issue, the Iranian state is about forcing all people into rigid biological, sexual, and gender roles. The fact that that accidentally fails to oppress a sliver of people whose personal goals happen to align with the oppressive position of the state doesn’t make that “less oppressive.”
That one specific group experiences oppression due to being trans in America they don’t experience in Iran.
I agree that countries ara hard to compare “in bulk” but I think that naming the chart with the wording “legal equality” hints at acknowledging that it’s representing a very concrete dimension of equality in general.
Iran should probably be a lighter shade than Saudi, then. They’re on a similar level for gay people, but actually ahead of the US on trans people.
Great points! My first thought was, bullshit on comparing the entire planet.
In any case, gays got it far better in America than they did 30-years ago. Shit takes time.
Yeah, but also you can see some countries scoring lower due to trans rights where queer couples have equivalent rights to het. No “map” is going to take all the nuance. But your point is valid. Reducing to a number obscures things and it’s worth little in terms of reliable, actionable info.
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I was confused by Greece for a second as I put it in a religious conservative corner without thinking. But then I remembered Greek history.
You have to skip over 1500 years or so, though. It’s still surprising.
Traditions do not have to be based on logic it seems
I’m not sure what you mean by this. Presumably, being from lemmynsfw it isn’t some kind of swipe at those dirty, deviant gays.
No, I welcome everyone who’s nice 💖
I forgot what I wanted to say anyways
Wow, South America, I did not see that coming. I mean, I knew about Brazil a bit, but I assumed it was a Thailand situation where the law and the practice were two different things.
Russia, Iran, and Saudi Arabia are red.
Scandinavia is only mid blue? Why?
The source for this data is Equaldex. According to their data on Sweden, for example, the following things are rated negatively:
- non-binary genders aren‘t legally recognized
- intersex infant surgery is not banned
- donating blood is not always possible for homosexual men
- conversion therapy is not banned
They might also take their public opinion section into account for the country‘s overall score, but I haven‘t looked into that more thoroughly.
Yup. Changing gender also requires sterilization in Norway. It’s fucked.
Isn’t that just the byproduct of bottom surgery?
No. It’s common not to get surgery.
Changing gender requires sterilization even if you don’t get surgery? What’s the logic there?
To get estrogen/change state registered gender. Latent hate from an older generation of senior medical people. It was explqined to me over a year ago so i can’t remember specific details.
More colors does not a better scale make. Just do red – white – green.
thailand legalized gay marriage a few months ago, this map is surprisingly out of date
