Snoozelady is great compared to Trump.
Fuck all of you.
You’re right. She’s great compared to the fascist. Judging by the score of your comment has no-one seems to disagree. So why be so hostile.
I was liking you until I saw this meme. I was about to subscribe to anaval.
I’m an anarchist and think we should seek to destroy the state. I also think it matters that while the state exists we should make it so that the least people possible suffer. By not voting, you are contributing to immense suffering.
Please still consider subscribing. If you disagree I’d rather you post about it than stay silent. Fuel some interesting discussion. I’d really appreciate it. Especially if you bring some interesting anarchic ideas on the table.
If you look at the other comments in the thread you will see this image. I made it in response to some others in this thread and shows my viewpoint on the topic.
also check this comment I just wrote: https://lemm.ee/comment/15763905
the following is gop propaganda. enjoy!
Does GOP propaganda usually call them fascists?
or include the words “Fuck the state”?
yes
I guess I’ll need to make my next meme something that fixes this misconception. Got any ideas?
Sorry, no. It’s much easier to criticize than to create.
Oh well. Guess I’ll try and come up with something.
I believe in you.
What about this?
Fix the election system.
How?
In my view any form of elective democracy ultimately undermines peoples own self-actualization. By having voting be the “thing you do to make the country work” it removes all individual responsibility for the state of the society and allows powerful people to manipulate the uneducated masses to their whims. Ultimately leading to fascism.
Are you aiming to have 350 million self proclaimed kings that do as they dam will please and think you will be able to have a functioning society with functioning infrastructure and functioning services?
And do you think that state of affairs is not one where people will abuse the (lack of) system for their own gains and the detriment of others?
Anarchy is not the lack of society. It is the lack of authority.
It is not the lack of responsibility.
It is not do whatever you like.It is society based on strong interpersonal relationships formed and maintained without authority. Everyone is responsible for everyone else and no-one gets to abuse others (as that would be archic).
if you want to read further here is a link: https://anarchistfaq.org/afaq/sectionA.html#seca1
Yes, I agree that there are enticing ideas in anarchy. But I can also see that “wholesale” anarchy won’t work in the world we live in. I can see that because the fascists are trying to create anarchy as a state it’s easier for them to abuse.
But that doesn’t mean there aren’t ideas from anarchy worth working with. I’m sure there are ideas from anarchy that could improve society - if they are implemented in a way that works.
fascists are trying to create anarchy as a state
I hope you know how stupid this sentence sounds to me.
Anarchy is the opposition to hierarchy (or just archy if you’re in a hurry). The state is a collection of institutions with the clear purpose of maintaining a divide between the rulers and the ruled. It is by definition archic. Just like capitalism. just like fascism.
The idea that anarchy won’t work in the world we live in comes from a lack of faith in people and the future. Sure it will require effort. It will take time to educate people. But to say it’s impossible is to give up on the idea of a better world.
I hope you know that state has more than one meaning.
I hope you know how stupid this sentence sounds to me.
I hope you don’t expect me to care. I hope you know that state has more than one meaning. I hope you know that you misunderstood.
The idea that anarchy won’t work in the world we live in comes from a lack of faith in people and the future. Sure it will require effort. It will take time to educate people. But to say it’s impossible is to give up on the idea of a better world.
You refer to fascists, yes? We agree that fascists exist, yes? Do you expect fascists to agree to be educated in and conform to these ideas? That is one example.
Vote for the lesser evil already! You have to choose between getting kicked in the shin, vs getting kicked in the nuts.
Your choice, but don’t let others choose for you! Use your freedom and protect it. Vote!
I already made this in response to another commenter in this thread.
It’s got a bit of a doomsday-prepper vibe
I can’t just tell people to vote if I don’t think it achieve anything. I have to tell what I think you should do. Creating strong social networks is the anarchist thing to do. Given the rising socio-economic/climate tensions, a storm is absolutely brewing, and it’s a good reason to tell people to band together.
I’m not saying you’re wrong. But I am glad not to live that place
Lol! Being an “anarchist” these days means you are a Democrat that likes to cosplay.
You guys have lost the fucking plot.
Honestly, I want Trump to win, it might actually kick some of the actual anarchists out of complacency.
I wanted him to win in 2016 because I wanted to see the system implode. IT DID! At least it started to. Then you all complained about it! And still are!
You aren’t fucking anarchists.
Yeah the ICE kid cages were awesome anarchism of you, very cool accomplishment.
You are literally fucking insane.
Please refrain from personal insults. I know it’s a bad take but try to remain civil.
Removed by mod
What does micromod mean?
Ah yes. Accelerationism. Reach rock bottom in the hopes it will get people to move themselves. I have played around with the idea but in the end having a state that is hostile to anarchist movements will be a lot harder to organize under than a state that does not care.
Oppression is a good motivator for revolutionary action but it also inhibits it. I think the trade off is not worth it. The “kick out of complacency” will be offset by “being arrested by the fascist state”. And the only the actual anarchists and other anti-fascists will be encouraged by oppression. Everyone else will be too afraid to join.
