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    denying them their right for self–determination

    You mean Obomba and then-VP Joe Bellend at the end of 2013 denied Ukraine the right to elect their own president

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      Yeah, the next was was air dropped, and so the next one. And neither caused anywhere near the same outrage as the russian puppet with his golden shitter and a party train. Wonder how could that be explained.

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        You don’t have right wing media funded by western billionaires driving the temperature constantly upwards in your country?

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          Our conservative right wing media was mostly funded by our Kremlin-aligned government for most of the last decade, and of course they did. A Russian influence agent is running a Rwanda style hate radio/tv fundamentalist catholic empire here as well for that very reason. The neo-con/“liberal” media are western funded and mostly busy with trying to get their guys into power in a classic bi-partisan manner. But what does that change for Ukrainian politics? Ukrainians are supported by most of the nation in spite of political divides, even the fascist nationalists had to claim they are supporting refugees not to fall out of favor.

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            Kremlin-aligned government

            Me when I want to make having completely normal relations with a directly neighboring country sound sinister, when everyone knows that a Ukraine with true self determination obviously welcomes an administration installed by a US backed coup in order to use the country as a forward outpost/cannon fodder in their ceaseless aggression and military encirclement of their geopolitical targets.

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              The only part of Russia Poland neighbors is a military base enclave. And your “everyone” is your sect that will attack any division from your firmly held beliefs particularly one asking for evidence as showcased here over and over.

              Oh and the alignment meant was mostly in authoritarian control over media, judiciary, level of corruption, blocking any public hearings of new laws, supercharging the parliamentary process to stifle opposition or any discussion of new law, unprecedented (since the old regime collapse) usage of surveillance against opposition, usage of far right paramilitary groups against mass feminist protests and so on. You know policies more popular in Moscow than anywhere else.
              Might be the reason why Kremlin supports far-right parties all over Europe and in US, and you people are willful enablers of that.

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                  Cheers, learned a new word. Love the western well educated leftists come to explain the world to us stupid Slavs. Thanks!

                  Or you missed clear evidence, admissions and so on of Russia sponsoring Le Pen, AFD, Austrian or US fascists? Like, this stuff is public, there’s a ton of sources. Proving the case for their infiltration of the PiS party would be harder, since it’s investigative jurno books in Polish mostly.

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        Well it’s explained very easily.

        Double standards, white supremacy, western chauvinism, the us-foreign-policy

        Major Western media outlets were hyperventilating over the war in Ukraine being fought against a “developed Western nation” with it not being a “Middle Eastern country”. This was literally verbatim on major outlets and I personally saw the fascistic rhetoric play out against the refugees fleeing Obomba’s drones from 10 years ago, in contrast.

        Or take the Nordstream gas pipeline bombings 2 years ago. Once it was figured out that AmeriKKKans blew up the pipelines, it was swept under the rug. Had Russia been the culprit, people (especially here in Estonia) would be screaming about it nonstop still. BTW, my energy/communal fees are literally like €70 higher because of this.

        The people who were fanatically chanting “Slava Ukraini” are the exact same people recording themselves blowing up children and apartment towers in Gaza with their iPhone 15 Pro Max, while also making thinly-veiled (or even open) bomb threats over “the hostages”.

        Oh and “Slava Ukraini” is in a semi-literal way written with the blood of Palestinian children.

        Death to AmeriKKKa

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          I remember how everyone in my country who have opinions for a living were clutching their pearls saying “war in Europe” as if it was orders of magnitude worse than war everywhere else.

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          Major Western media outlets were

          Dont care

          Once it was figured out that AmeriKKKans blew up the pipelines, it was swept under the rug.

          Last ive seen most likely Ukrainians operating out of Poland unbotherd by Polish services, as its a shared strategic objective for both countries. BTW you do know that Nordstream2 was turned off months earlier by Russia to blackmail Germany?

          The people who were fanatically chanting

          The what? Its start overstreached but finishes so absurd I wont even attempt any logic.

          Death to AmeriKKKa

          This I could support. Also death to Russia and every other imperialism (incl European and Chinese).

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              There’s litterally nothing you could do to lower my opinion of western leftiests anymore, I come into these discussions knowing this is the top level of an argument you could master. Fucking imperialist scum.

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                Why the fuck would anyone care what your opinion is? “Don’t care”

                Why do these pigeon playing chess assholes always think their opinion is so important that everyone has to fucking tap dance for them?

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                  And yet the best the crowd of you could master is replaying cheap propaganda straight of RT and freaking out when its questioned or any scrutiny is applied.

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                    You should just shut up and go away now. You already flipped the chessboard. Now you want to act like you’re still a serious person worth taking seriously in this serious conversation? It’s buffoonish.

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                  Oh yeah, give me a few more of this comrade, your praxis is so in line with the party.

                  Fucking western leftists. Single guy with a gun achived more for class war in few days then you shits over last 50 years. How does that feel?

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                    My homeboys took down a fascist Apartheid ethnostate 30 years ago, but pop off ig

                    I also helped contribute to the IDF and Pissad getting their networks disrupted, forcing them to spend tens of thousands each month for network security. Who knows, maybe me and a bunch of mates vaporising the IDF’s internal DNS helped a Palestinian escape to South Africa and/or some skid getting blasted in the arse by a Yassin-105.

                    And since you asked so nicely, PIGPOOPBALLS pigpoop PIGPOOPBALLS pigpoop PIGPOOPBALLS pigpoop