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The US University experience
Excuse me. They have a women. This is clearly a DEI group of fascist.
Hey ya know, just how it be sometimes
Estonian here, first Yank* scientist on Lemmy to come work at University of Tartu gets a beer on me. Note that when I say “come work at” I mean I live in the city, not that I work at the university too. I dropped out after a semester and a half lol
* Yank refers to the entire USA here, though younger generations don’t use it much. You could be from Texas or California and still be a Yankee.
Same in Finland: a Californian or a Hawaiian is a Yankee (in Finnish: jenkki) here.
I love Tartu, but last I heard, the pay and funding sucked. How is it now?
Apparently it’s only good if you get good grants and scheme around with the money.
According to this professors and above make pretty good money for Tartu cost of living, assuming you’re not trying to support an entire family on a single salary.
Really, it’s a place you could move to for the vibes, but it won’t be the best place to make money.
This is amazing for us in Europe, bring all the educated ones and leave the Trumpers there
Fully onboard with this, welcome to Spain amigo.
well to some of us americans, who can’t leave, this is horrible… but logical….
the last thing i want is all the reasonable people to leave, and be stuck with these fuxks….i kinda wonder now, how much did people fleeing nazi germany contributed to them solidifying power?
It’s kinda funny, this is what Texas did to Oklahoma in regards to our teachers. Put up billboards saying that they paid more in Texas. It’s depressing but it worked lol.
oklahoma wasn’t great before that, but at least it was OK…
Take this up vote and GO
I mean I imagine most people leaving would still keep American citizenship and therefore still be able to vote. Unless they decide to end their citizenship which some might but I imagine most people would still want to keep that option open.
It’s worth noting, keeping your citizenship means paying US federal income taxes, regardless of where you live and work.
Most places have double tax agreements with the US. They’ll be reporting their income to the US, but only paying tax to the US on money earned in the US, from shares for example
The world is looking to China too, their sciences are blossoming. Exciting times ahead while Americans decide who they are and want to be and eventually go through their own Enlightenment. Things are bad now, but tyrants always fall eventually. I think we are entering a sort of golden age for science.
Pity they leave the nukes there, for a bunch of rabid capitalist morons
except they need the same experts to maintain nukes, Nukes have a “expiration date”, they want it to mostly become like russia, where all the money goes to oligarches.
Come to Germany! We do everything like the US, but with a 4 year delay and 10% less intense! Relive your memories of when your homeland went down the drain!
I feel like the 4 year delay is gonna hit it’s threshold and start surpassing the US. Maybe I’m wrong but I feel like Germany has the populous to shift very quickly. Now that the US is full Fascism I feel like Germany just got the acceleration card equipped. Which will also influence the rest of the west and Americans to hit the “kill all Muslims” button as hard as they can.
Starting with “Hamas/Palestine/Antisemitism” as the justification.
I still have the hope that people see the trainwreck the US is now and go “oh shit”, and try to avoid it
The reaction to Brexit in the rest of the EU - where almost from one month to the next people’s support for the idea of leaving the EU crashed to less than half as much as shown in various polls at the time - gives me hope that what Trump is doing in America is actually crushing the chances of his ideology in the rest of the World.
This seems to already be happenning in Canada (we will know for sure once the result of their upcoming elections is out).
In summary, I think there is good reason to hope that the result in the rest of the World of the Fascist Far-Right taking over a high-profile country like the US will be either the crushing of the Far-Right or it very explicitly distancing itself from the kind of ideology espoused by Trump - in other words, that America, just like Britan with Brexit, is really and unwittingly taking one for the rest of us.
As a pretty terrified American, I actually take some comfort in this idea. Please learn from us. I just hope if things get that far here, that the rest of you will have some empathy for those of us who did not want this. So many comments from people in other countries are blaming every American for this. Seeing so many of those comments (mostly on Reddit) has been the second scariest part of all of this for me. I’m used to being hated in the abstract for being an American, but to think that if the fascists here get their way people like me have no hope of escape is too much to think about
If there’s any consolation, I personally support asylum for Americans escaping political persecution for my country, I just hope that our government will act quickly enough for it, and the right not getting in the way
I expect a lot of, especially queer, people trying to escape, and I really hope we get something in place before it’s too late
Welcome to our world. I remember the hate I had to put up with, just for being Serbian. Finally, someone else understands.
As a white American, I was just talking about this relatively new experience to me, and not in any way meaning to co-opt or undermine other people’s objectively worse experiences, by the way. Just wanted to throw that out there.
At the same time, while we might disparage Russia or China, to me that’s always meant the government, not literally the people. I hate that I probably took for granted that at least most other people thought the same way I did.
Too many people often just handwave that civilians should die rebelling against their government if it is bad. It is never that simple, it is not as simple as they voted bad and didn’t rebel, so we have an excuse to exterminate them all.
We should do the same as was done with Germany: trial those most responsible in Nuremberg, rehabilitate the rest. Germany turned out to be a wonderful, anti-nazi country, with hard workers that produced high-quality products. Imagine if they where just nuked instead?
It’s happened before. A lot of the allies in ww2 were nazi-curious before their country was invaded. They were getting fairly popular in the US especially, holding large rallies and captivating the hearts of several of our captains of industry. I won’t go into the details.
Some states will go down the path of fascism until they pass the point of no return, and the state that existed before is well and truly dead. When they’re done warring against their own minorities they’ll attempt to expand to neighboring states because they need to justify their own existence.
Some states will follow the path of fascism until they see their peers further down the path either trapped in the turmoils of war and genocide, or threatening war and genocide on themselves or their close allies, then they turn around out of fear of the new common enemy. Like a sailor trapped by a sirens call only snapping out of it when the sailor in front of them gets devoured.
I have less hope for two reasons:
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These are still capitalist countries and thus the incentive for fascism still remains even if it gets delayed a bit.
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The US is the largest, most dangerous military superpower the world has ever seen and it has shown time and time again that it’s willing to use that might to bully other nations into economic submission. No country is really safe if it decides to start going after them. The US hasn’t always won these wars, but even when it fails like in Vietnam or Korea, it does enough damage on the way out to cause massive destruction and suffering which has long lasting consequences. I seriously doubt the rest of the world is just gonna get to sit this one out and watch America self destruct.
For 1., also don’t forget that major labour movements spring up during and after WW2, it’s hard to say how much of a repeat that will be this time around, but the potential is there
And 2., I agree, I am concerned myself, especially with nukes these days
But on the other hand, economy, and reliance on globalized production chains, is so much more central to the core of a nation these days. It’s not possible to just produce everything locally anymore, not like it was during WW2, anyway. everything is too hyper specialized for that now
So there is the potential that, if the US really does something very stupid and gets a complete embargo from the rest of the west, they’re just going to get completely fucked (and so will the rest of the west, but you know). So the amount of damage they end up being able to do might end up being limited
Of course, China would benefit massively from this, as they do actually go heavy on self-sufficiency, and then there’s the risk of Russia exploiting this as well, but the silver lining is that the US simply might collapse before it manages to do some real damage
In the end, I think the future of how the world will look like will be up to China. I really really hope that they end up having a massive democratic movement for the sake of the world, but we’ll see. At least China so far still seems like a rational actor on the world stage, although still ruthless and self-serving, of course
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Half the country is fighting to run towards the trainwreck…
I would say that the politically widespread “unwavering support” for a nation very overtly because of their dominant ethnicity, including whilst they’re commiting a Genocide along ethnic lines themselves (the kind of thing one would naivelly expect Germans to be especially disgusted at), proved beyond any doubt that Racism in Germany is alive & well all across the political spectrum, from the supposed “left” of the Greens all the way to the far-right.
(AfD really is just the same mindset with the addition of “If it’s good to unwaveringly support them no matter what they do, then it’s also good for us”)
Sadly whilst the symbols were forbidden, the way of thinking about other human beings (of seeing people as members of ethnicities and judging and treating them differently depending on ethnicity) that was the foundation for Nazism never actually died in Germany, they just changed who the ubermenschen and untermenschen are and don’t actually say those words out loud.
Where is this post-racism country where you live and are you taking applications?
Ah, the good old sociopath-style argument that because there is Racism everywhere then people shouldn’t complain about the level of Racism in some places approaching that of the Nazis.
It’s the Racist variant of the good old “we’re better than North Korea” argument to defend Capitalist excesses.
I’m not German and maybe I misread, but I took this as specifically singling out Germany
If you go up to my original post, it was in response to somebody talking about German politics in the context of the Israeli Genocide.
As one of only a handful of nations who kept on “unwaveringly supporting” Israel with weapons even as the Genocide became more and more extreme and obvious beyond deniability, Germany definitely needs to be heavily criticized for that support and the underlying view of other human beings that is required for people to say - as Sholz did - “We unwaveringly support the Jewish Nation” (note the ethnicity very explicitly) as justification to keep sending weapons to Israel even after they had already murdered over 40,000 civilians including a list of babies 1 year old or less which was 17 pages long.
This isn’t the “police taking less seriously reports of being assaulted from victims of certain ethnicities than from other ethnicities” level of Racism far too common in many countries, this is the “we’ll keep on sending weapons to people who have murdered thousands of babies because we support the race of the murderers” level of Racism - the level of evil of unfairly treating a minority is a whole different scale from the level of evil of sending weapons to baby mass murderers because you support their race.
Absolutely, the likes of the US and UK, for example, are just as appallingly and disgustingly Racist.
However I myself did not expect this from Germany, both because I had a much much better opinion of Germans (I even lived there for 3 months) and because having in the past done horrible things (Nazism, the Holocaust) exactly because of extreme Racism and spent the time since remembering it and claiming “Never again”, it turned out that the “Never again” of most German politicians was the race-limited version “Never again shall we Germans do this to Jews” rather than the Humanist version of “Never again shall this happen”.
It’s hard for me to convey just how profoundly disappointing I am with Germany in addition to how disgusted I am with it and other nations who kept supporting baby mass murderers with weapons to kill more babies overtly because they support the race of the murderers.
So yeah, I totally agree with
I feel like Germany just got the acceleration card equipped
from the poster I was responding to, because until recently Germany hadn’t displayed anywhere near the levels of Racism required to, because of the race of the murderers, support baby mass murderers with weapons that will be used to murder more babies.
My daughter is about 2 years from graduating high school, and even before Trump came into office I was urging her to consider non-US colleges. Mostly because she wants to go into medicine and our healthcare system has been broken for much longer than I can remember. But also the rise of Fox News (and others) getting away with stating provable lies as fact, Joe Rogan, et al. showed that there has been an inflection point and the country is being led around by the dumbest of us.
She’s fluent in Spanish, though jumping straight into a medical program would introduce a lot of new specialized words, and might be to much. We’re starting to look into options though.
College introduces a lot of new words in general. It is what it’s for, plus, she will be in pre-med. Go for the Spanish route. She will flourish. :) Spain is so lovely. I hope I can land something there next.
Ugh, Spain is amazing. I dream of that country.
Specially in smaller cities away of the big two.
Working in Rota was absolutely frustrating trying to get anything done
Very true. If she’s up for the challenge I really want her to do that. I’d love more reasons to go to Spain.
Medical English is largely stripped-down Latin, I wonder how similar medical Spanish is
The technical terms are very similar. The only issue would be the colloquial terms.
I mean English is sorta the science lingua franca so I imagine most of the technical words would be lone words if they showed up in a paper first.
*loan words, as they were loaned to the language in question.
I interpreted it as meaning lone words as in only a few here and there.
You’re too generous 😅
We interact with people from numerous Spanish speaking countries as part of an intern program, and the one thing every new group says is how funny each other’s slang sounds to the rest of the group. She might have a rough month or two, but then I think it would be fairly smooth after that.
Healthcare in the US is terrible, but part of that is how much providers can charge. Healthcare providers aren’t able to charge as much in communities where it’s considered a basic human right. If she practices outside the US her earnings will probably not be as high - and thats even considering the insurance healthcare providers need to carry to account for lawsuits.
The biggest problem in the US is how the insurance companies insert themselves between the doctor and patient, and tell you what services you’re allowed to receive without even being in the room for the diagnosis.
I have a friend here in the US who is on a visa and is planning on leaving the US after undergrad and doing grad school in Europe somewhere
This feels sad on the surface, as an American who went to college 25 years ago and is used to seeing people from around the world move here to learn, teach, start businesses, etc.
But giving it any real thought, damn it, it is much better for humanity this way. Climate change isn’t going to pause while the world watches us collapse.
our 4-year university, actually state is actually suffering from low-enrollment issues, its getting so serious as of recently they have slash faculty and “less important classes”: and the faculties getting canned said it was “birth rates”, i was commenting on the sub, said it was HCOL, and low job prospects.
many state Uni in our area also have big problems too. its likely stemmed from covid, where everyone had a shitty education from classes being online only, cant really learn anything if you cant ask in person questions. although i think covid just unmasked systemic issues going before the pandemic. ive seen disasstisfied reviews on yelp going back 2016. i was curious after graduation if any universities had yelp reviews they all did.
Emotional, fucking, damage.
Why would Americans feel emotional damage from this? They have freedom to be Christian, and self reliant, and proud.
Orange Diaper is burning my country’s goodwill to the ground and I’m so happy to see the rest of the world telling us to fuck off, and more importantly fucking with Americas wallet.
Consequences for bad behavior is the only way it ever gets corrected.
It’s like someone wished for more European defense spending but to the monkey’s paw
The US wants better European militaries in case we can’t help or share, not because we want to flat out refuse to help or share
The US wants better European militaries in case we can’t help or share
Instructions unclear, got weapons to defend against the US instead…
Suddenly nobody wants an F-35 anymore.
Maybe if things go poorly Europe will have to come liberate you guys and spread some democracy.
We ally with California, Mexico and Canada then liberate the Gilead Republic (see The Handmaid’s Tale series and Civil War film).
We could rejoin the three Californias!
And as far as I’ve seen the numbers it’s working too. Anywhere in Europe that is academic or sciency is seeing record numbers of Americans applying. The brain drain will be real.
It has already been happening for several years now, it’s just accelerated since Trump. Even before his first term there was a “negative brain drain” of educated workers no longer coming into the US because the benefits (paid time off, health care, etc) are so much worse compared to other countries, even when considering the higher pay. America used to rely on a steady stream of incoming highly educated workers.
But now there is a huge amount of well established academics leaving for Canada, EU, or anywhere else that will pay them. I work in a physics department at a large R1 university in a very liberal state, and we are losing 4 (that I know of) high regarded professors just this year alone moving to other countries.
The brain drain is here, and won’t be reversing course even if Trump suddenly disappears. We would have to completely change how we reward work and our failing healthcare system for anything to change.
its also very hard to get hired as faculty as colleges because of the limited space, alot of people graduaitng in the us with a undergrad thinks thier career path is a PHD, but its too competitive because tenures arnt leaving until thier dead, plus university can be stingy and hiring cheap temporary instructors,. also getting grad degrees are expensive and not easy too. oh yea i also hear about hte lack of wet lab experience before graduating with your undergrad degree, plus the amount of papers people are doing to get noticed by a university on thier CV. when i was in undergrad i was in a talk where the announcer said the professor attending today has to write dozens of research papers just to get hired. and then theres the complaint about quality of said research paper too.
im curious are they moving to other countries because “insurance, pay, politics”?
Makes sense. This is doing decades of damage. Plenty of past groundbreaking research came out of the US. But I get it. I wouldn’t want to move to the US either for very much the same reasons. Lack of affordable healthcare, lack of paid holidays and gun safety would be the main reasons. Lack of food regulation would also be a concern. And now the current regime and the way too large chunk of the population that still seems happy with it means we put even tourist travel plans to the US on hold. Too scary at the moment. Trying to help the best I can from here, but there’s only so much you can do at a distance.
It’s already happened in Florida and Idaho at least, Idaho lost a huge amount of medical professionals thanks to RvW and state passed open ended and vague laws. Florida lost just about all their teachers DeSantis is stuffing schools with sycophants with little to no education and no teaching credentials. We’re already losing.
All numbers I’ve seen for record applications were for high level research and university level teaching. Maybe the medical doctors mainly moved states? At least I haven’t seen them making headlines about moving to Europe.
Many are leaving teaching all together, it’s a huge problem that’s going to have far reaching consequences for a lot more than 4 years. While they might not all leave the US, they are no longer teaching or practicing medicine in hostile states, Idaho has been forced to shut down hospitals and medical services.
Here in rural CA we’re also seeing medical access dwindle. A lot of things people don’t realize have changed are very drastic, being older I remember not even needing to think about buying produce and inspection it for bugs or rotting. Now, you have to check, and if you aren’t washing everything before you put it away from the store you are getting bugs. It’s gonna happen reliably, many services and newly built things seem shotty and badly done. We have been running out of competency for some time now, and if you’ve been alive long enough were clearly in decline.
Sadly a lot if not most of these changes will take generations to reverse. It’s the sad reality of things.
The main good thing I am taking from the news currently is that as far as I can tell the people won’t accept this for very long. Can’t quite yet tell how or what will happen, but I’d be surprised if the current regime are still in power in the same way 1-2 years from now. The protest are amping up at an intense speed, the videos coming out of the few republicans still giving town halls feel like the crowd is a pot about to boil over.
Yeah, hopefully, but Americans are really bad at fighting back, and easily swayed with very dubious conceits.
I don’t know. It takes a while to get organized but I have confidence that they’ll get there. At least based on what I’m seeing at the moment. Could obviously still just slowly die down again. Time will tell.
Meanwhile the Trump administration has asked Australian academics to justify that their US-funded research lines up with Conservative values
I’m in.
They look like they’re being told to smile or a family member will be killed.
I’ve spoken to some Fins and it’s being that close to another human being causing that.
/S but only slightly
They sound like my kind of people. Time to look into graduate school in Finland
There was a meme picture of a Finnish bus stop with people queueing leaving about 1-2m between each person. When it was still current, I asked some friends of mine about it and they said “yeah, we definitely like our personal space”, especially out in the countryside.
At the time of the pandemic it was hard for us Finns, as they said we should be 2 meters away from each other. Too close!
As a Finn I can confirm this.
I’m from Finland. It’s late winter now. It’s not Smiling Season yet.
I guess they’re just not actors
Yeah, but it’ll be a random family member - not necessarily a woman or LGBTQ+.
No no the guy is making a face like “I came here to fart don’t follow me” and she’s all “I came here to smell it”
It’s AI generated, isn’t it?
Kinda small on my phone but I don’t think so. Most ai stuff looks more air brushed and the light is usually weird. This has skin imperfections and clothes wrinkles that look very real.
Is this why Elon is pushing for anti-immigration parties in the EU? He doesn’t want people to leave?
Of course he doesn’t want people to leave, how can he be king if all his serfs leave?
Living somewhere else is quite tempting in a grass is greener way, but it feels like moving out of my house because of pests. What I’d really rather do is eradicate the pests and get my home back. Even if I move, how long until I have to suffer new pests? Meanwhile the more sane of the two completely out of touch parties that comprise my government are like my housemate, and they keep leaving food wrappers and shit all over the place and they refuse to call an exterminator because it would be “cruel”. But these no-kill traps ain’t doing shit. Figuratively speaking, of course.
Sometimes you gotta move out and leave your roommate alone in the mess, for them to hopefully realize that they are the problem
I couldn’t have said it better myself, I will definitely steal that analogy. Moving to another country is such an extreme step, because it means giving up everything I have here and adjusting to new people, new culture, new language, new everything. I’d rather my home stay pest-free.
Of course we’d rather it stays pest free. For if you have black mold, would you stay there and have health consequences for rest of your life, your children and all. Or would you just think I’ll abandon this, it’s gonna cost a lot to give up the furniture and everything that you have build up over the years but it’s not important than your life. Specifically as a non-white person where even your residence status isn’t protecting you anymore.
And this current thing isn’t the problem it’s a symptom of a problem so deep, I don’t really see us getting back to normal anytime soon. We might mitigate it, or maybe it’ll get so bad people will realize the actual problems and work towards solving it. I just don’t have energy to be that optimistic. I really wish people would be more empathetic, think about the community and be altruistic enough to address the bigger problem. But I don’t see that happening.
Hello. I’d like to rekindle some of your optimism. In a little tiny corner of America, I know of at least one man with a plan to fix this situation.
The plan is relatively simple, start networking. You don’t need to make friends per se, but relationships are powerful. Once you have established a relationship with enough people with similar issues to you (think coworkers, family members, people in your neighborhood, etc) start creating co-ops/non-profits. Food/housing are your best bets to get a foothold. As each co-op stabilizes, start on the next. Again, food/housing. Food can be done as a mutual fund and evolves into food drives. Housing starts with “you can crash” and eventually evolves into a non-profit expense-sharing apartment complex with a rent cap.
That last bit might be confusing. A non-profit, expense-sharing apartment complex with a rent cap looks like:
“Your rent is due, this month it cost us
$Xto keep the lights on, water running, land owned, etcetera. We haveYtenants, which means we need$X/Yfrom each tenant. Due to the 30% AGI/$1700 (whichever is lower) (according to average rent in America) rent cap, some high earners may be asked to contribute a slightly higher amount than listed above. If this policy applies to you, a second notification will be sent to you.”Eventually, combine them. Why shouldn’t your tenants eat for free? You just add “bellies full” to that list up there.
The best part about this plan is that you can give up at literally any point without really fucking with your life too much. The whole plan is basically “make friends and offer to pay their bills until no one needs to pay bills anymore”
