I think now is a great time to separate pride events from these corporate scum. They never have been and will never be allies, just opportunists who would just as willingly burn parades to the ground if it maximizes profit. The capitalist machine will never be your friend.

Straight ally checking in. Started growing my own food last year, mainly as a hobby to keep me from doom scrolling so much. But I really like this idea and am going to try not buying anything but gas the entire month.

✊

Pride in Ottawa, Canada this year was pretty much corporate-less because the organisers publicly came out in support of Palestine and said they’d only accept companies on the right side of history in the parade

Corporations being corporations, most dropped out since they always have to be 100% safe on any statements of support obviously. It was actually so much better without them though.

I want to go to Pride in Amsterdam. The parade is a boat parade along the canals.

https://youtu.be/J-DlZFKJTko

That is beautiful.

there will absolutely be gays and trans people.

True, homosexuality isn’t going away. However, while I would rate it as quite unlikely, I could imagine a world where sodomy laws returned, social norms changed, and homosexuality became a taboo again. There have been places and times in human history where the acceptability of homosexuality have varied quite a bit. I don’t think that social norms on homosexuality are really tightly linked to technology or something where there’s a clear “arrow” driving in one direction over time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_homosexuality

Societal attitudes towards same-sex relationships have varied over time and place. Attitudes to male homosexuality have varied from requiring males to engage in same-sex relationships to casual integration, through acceptance, to seeing the practice as a minor sin, repressing it through law enforcement and judicial mechanisms, and to proscribing it under penalty of death. In addition, it has varied as to whether any negative attitudes towards men who have sex with men have extended to all participants, as has been common in Abrahamic religions, or only to passive (penetrated) participants, as was common in Ancient Greece and Ancient Rome. Female homosexuality has historically been given less acknowledgment, explicit acceptance, and opposition.

Homosexuality was generally accepted in many ancient and medieval eastern cultures such as those influenced by Buddhism, Hinduism, and Taoism.[1][2] Homophobia in the eastern world is often discussed in the context of being an import from the western world,[3][4] with some contending that definitions of “progress” on homosexuality (e.g. LGBT rights) as being Western-centric.[5]

I mean, that’s a patchwork at any point in time, and one that hasn’t changed in a single direction over time.

Pride is a resistance not a party! Get back to our roots. We don’t need another US Bank float.

which is the current flavor of politics at the moment, one moment things like shows and movies VIRTUE signal minorities, the next they virtue signal for snowflake Christians.

This how it is. It always has been like that. This is one of the things that helped the right gain power.

As someone that is gay, it’s been something that pisses me off too. They use LGBT culture. It’s like they market the LGBT stereotypes. I think that a lot of the “normal” naive Republicans saw this as well and didn’t understand when they voted for anti dei it actually meant this Nazi esque stuff going on now. I think they actually just wanted to stop the marketing and abuse of LGBT culture by shitty businesses.

LGBT culture was basically sold out the same way hip-hop culture was. Once they can make money off it the culture gets raped.

The one time I went to Pride I was disappointed with how it was basically a bunch of corporate advertisements.

If you’re selling a product aimed at a gay crowd, aside from profile-driven, targeted online advertising, how many better venues are you going to have to promote your stuff?

Most Pride events that I think that I’ve seen images of are done in public areas in cities — kind of the point of them — and so whoever wants can do whatever.

thinks

I don’t think I’ve seen ads at Burning Man. Might be that they have restrictions on them.

kagis

Yup.

https://survival.burningman.org/rules-and-regulations/commerce-concessions/

Logos & branding

Black Rock City is a decommodified zone where branding is not welcome. Advertising? Hell no. Launching a product? Not in Black Rock City. Burning Man is not a place to promote your business, website, or product.

It’d be possible to go organize something like that in a controlled environment, I think. But if the point of a Pride parade is to increase visibility among the wider population, going to such a controlled environment seems like it’d be kind of counterproductive.

Not from where they’re sitting. We have to make this a true statement through collective action. Lemmy, and other decentralized forms of communication, will likely need to play a central role in organizing those actions. They’re not going to let us work towards removing their power using the platforms they control.

I’ve been trying to keep track of which companies are sticking with it. Costco and Apple both seem to be staying the course with DEI in particular.

kinda wanna make a pride float with all the banners of companies that abandoned pride this year

It seems short sighted because the rest of the west isn’t nearly as bad as the USA. Do they really think the American right wing population is THAT worth pandering to that they’d give up their reputation to everyone else?

Maybe now they can put up swastikas as an empty gesture toward president musk

Rainbow capitalism.

But I think I liked it better when they did an empty gesture in support of gay rights rather than against them

Just one of those things. Means nothing about the companies themselves, but means everything about where society in general is at.

Reminds me when Tim Cook came out as gay conveniently as all the investigations about Apple’s tax dodging were ramping up and rich successful gay white men in the media (*cough Chris Hughes cough) literally shut down stories on Apple’s tax dodging because of some bullshit malarkey about how it was attacking Tim Cook. I remember a bunch of bullshit about Tim Cook being “brave.”

Yeah, a rich white guy in charge of one of the world’s richest companies who definitely has his own private security, that’s real fucking brave. What a joke. Actual bravery is a gay kid in the deep South coming out in their 500 person hometown.

Shit, I knew a white kid from a town like that in Louisiana, and he wasn’t gay, just atheist, and some kids on the football team found out and beat the living shit out of him. His mom told him he asked for it for his beliefs. He filed for emancipation, applied for college, went to college at 16 and started double-majoring in molecular biology and botany. I hope he’s doing well.

Source for my Chris Hughes claim:

https://web.archive.org/web/20170308174919/https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/inside-collapse-new-republic

Hughes’s eroding relationship with the staff took on an ideological edge. On the morning that Tim Cook, the C.E.O. of Apple, announced that he was gay, MacGillis wrote a note to “the Plank,” T.N.R.’s internal e-mail listserv for writers and editors. “I see the celebration of his announcement, while entirely justifiable, as another sign of what’s happened to liberalism today, where rights/identity liberalism trumps economic liberalism,” he wrote. “This is, after all, a guy who embodies so much of what’s amiss in the age of inequality—pulling down $378 million in 2011 alone; Apple skirting taxes more brazenly than anyone else—yet those revelations have caused barely a stir.”

Hughes responded to the note six minutes later: “I think those are valid issues, although Apple has acted squarely within the law,” he wrote. “The law itself is fucked up. But I don’t think you can underestimate the difficulty of his decision or how tone deaf that argument would be today.”

The other editorial employees on the list were surprised by the response. It was an internal listserv for writers and editors, and the staffers didn’t realize that Hughes, who had relinquished his title as editor-in-chief when he installed Vidra, was on it. MacGillis responded by saying that he would hold off on writing, but added, “Just for the record, though, it is not so clear that Apple acted squarely within the law. The law’s a mess, but Apple pushed the bounds of it more than anyone.” He pasted text from a piece in the Times that questioned some of Apple’s practices.

“I’m confused,” Hughes wrote back. “Has anyone, including this article, said what they did was illegal? Companies have an obligation to their shareholders to maximize shareholder value, including through strategic tax planning.”

Maybe where you’re at, but our pride was full of all colors of the rainbow and all walks of life. There were speeches from much older people talking about their joy when they were able to be married to their partner of several decades. There were people presenting from all over the gender spectrum. There were drag performers of all sizes and races and people who were just enjoying being themselves. There was a nonbinary artist with a beard in a dress that had a huge audience. It felt like a time to be around people who would love and accept you unconditionally.

To your point about the cis white gay men: There was a much older lady running a booth (not selling just handing out fliers) for a first time sponsor, and I had such a lovely chat with her. Her husband came to keep her company and they were both expressing how they never really knew much about LGBT stuff but seeing people there and the joy really affected her. I don’t know if she was anti lgbt before, but you could tell she was really moved by seeing people basically just being at a fair, but able to be themselves. She told me about a gay couple that stopped by with their kids and how happy the kids looked. She even asked me about the flags (our pride had like every lgbt flag under the sun as freebies). Sure, maybe she’s only affected by the hetero seeming people that fit into the cis white 2.5 kids mold, but I really think it had an impact on her. So, to your point, sure I won’t argue that the hot cis white guys are probably more visible/“palatable” at pride, but it’s still a really important event for the community as a whole, and it’s gotten more open and accepting every year.

The article states they need $1.2 million to pull it off, so $300K is 1/4 of the budget.

Black people have been under fire for the past 300 years, and are still under fire to this day due to DEI rollbacks, so your comment sounds like you are trolling.