• EaterOfLentils@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    15
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    1 hour ago

    Oh no, not the corporations. And here we thought they were ride or die and would always have the backs of the LGBTQ community!

    Fuck 'em. Who wants or needs them? Queer people are not an “investment.”

  • Doug Holland@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    26
    ·
    5 hours ago

    I’m not lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans, or questioning, but I’ve been to Pride events in San Francisco, and a few other cities, because they’re fun and inspiring and subversive! Pre-corporate, Pride was about announcing yourself and being yourself, and I don’t know what the heck Comcast or Anheuser-Busch adds to that, beyond muddying the event by making it about cable TV or beer or something. My straight gut says, going without corporate sponsorships will make the parades and parties more fun.

  • Akasazh@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    18
    ·
    edit-2
    53 minutes ago

    Change the name from pride to rage, and protest against gay rights and you’ll probably get funding and no straw in your way

  • HowAbt2morrow@futurology.today
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    116
    ·
    24 hours ago

    I’ve been to Pride events outside of the US and not a fucking corporate sponsor in sight with their goofy gayed-out logos and they were awesome. Fun, informative, inclusive and free. We can celebrate all of these “inclusive” events by not buying a single “corporate” product for the whole month, starting with those that used to show support.

  • skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    45
    ·
    22 hours ago

    including Comcast, Anheuser-Busch, Diageo, and La Crema, which is owned by Jackson Family Wines.

    Media has to just name names going forward, all of them. This planet needs to know what evil to avoid. Good this article did, although I wonder who they might have omitted.

    • CalipherJones@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      2 hours ago

      Unfortunately for Comcast they’re so dog shit they don’t need to be named haha. Everyone knows how awful they are.

  • Match!!@pawb.social
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    108
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    1 day ago

    in 20 years there will not be a Donald Trump. there may or may not be a united states. but there will absolutely be gays and trans people.

    • tal@lemmy.today
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      9
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      edit-2
      24 hours ago

      there will absolutely be gays and trans people.

      True, homosexuality isn’t going away. However, while I would rate it as quite unlikely, I could imagine a world where sodomy laws returned, social norms changed, and homosexuality became a taboo again. There have been places and times in human history where the acceptability of homosexuality have varied quite a bit. I don’t think that social norms on homosexuality are really tightly linked to technology or something where there’s a clear “arrow” driving in one direction over time.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_homosexuality

      Societal attitudes towards same-sex relationships have varied over time and place. Attitudes to male homosexuality have varied from requiring males to engage in same-sex relationships to casual integration, through acceptance, to seeing the practice as a minor sin, repressing it through law enforcement and judicial mechanisms, and to proscribing it under penalty of death. In addition, it has varied as to whether any negative attitudes towards men who have sex with men have extended to all participants, as has been common in Abrahamic religions, or only to passive (penetrated) participants, as was common in Ancient Greece and Ancient Rome. Female homosexuality has historically been given less acknowledgment, explicit acceptance, and opposition.

      Homosexuality was generally accepted in many ancient and medieval eastern cultures such as those influenced by Buddhism, Hinduism, and Taoism.[1][2] Homophobia in the eastern world is often discussed in the context of being an import from the western world,[3][4] with some contending that definitions of “progress” on homosexuality (e.g. LGBT rights) as being Western-centric.[5]

      I mean, that’s a patchwork at any point in time, and one that hasn’t changed in a single direction over time.

    • return2ozma@lemmy.worldOP
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      103
      arrow-down
      5
      ·
      1 day ago

      Pride is a resistance not a party! Get back to our roots. We don’t need another US Bank float.

      • MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        28
        ·
        1 day ago

        I get it, but it would be great if we could’ve kept it as a party. The community has already fought so much. The floats were basically the only way some people understood that LGBT+ was mainstream and accepted now. Rainbow capitalism is bad, obviously, but it’s still devastating to see even that get taken away. Our roots should never have had to be resistance and it’s sad to see it’s come back to that. Same with several other communities. Having struggle be thrust upon you just by virtue of who you are is terrible for mental and physical health. I was looking forward to seeing the next generation thrive. I don’t want to see them in the trenches. I want them to party. I want them to celebrate. I want job fairs at pride to be full of the worst Fortune 500 companies desperately trying to recruit from the community. I want them to live normal lives where they’re not othered just for being and pride had evolved into a celebration of that.

      • BigFig@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        8
        ·
        1 day ago

        Brother i’m with ya, but I’ve also met too many right leaning LGBTQ+ and it breaks my fuckin heart

    • peteyestee@feddit.org
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      27
      arrow-down
      4
      ·
      edit-2
      1 day ago

      This how it is. It always has been like that. This is one of the things that helped the right gain power.

      As someone that is gay, it’s been something that pisses me off too. They use LGBT culture. It’s like they market the LGBT stereotypes. I think that a lot of the “normal” naive Republicans saw this as well and didn’t understand when they voted for anti dei it actually meant this Nazi esque stuff going on now. I think they actually just wanted to stop the marketing and abuse of LGBT culture by shitty businesses.

      LGBT culture was basically sold out the same way hip-hop culture was. Once they can make money off it the culture gets raped.

    • Ledericas@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      18 hours ago

      which is the current flavor of politics at the moment, one moment things like shows and movies VIRTUE signal minorities, the next they virtue signal for snowflake Christians.

  • meeeeetch@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    66
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    1 day ago

    The way all these companies have ditched gay rights really clarifies how much of an empty gesture the month of rainbow banners was (and how much of an empty gesture this probably is). But I think I liked it better when they did an empty gesture in support of gay rights rather than against them

    • LandedGentry
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      24
      ·
      1 day ago

      I’ve been trying to keep track of which companies are sticking with it. Costco and Apple both seem to be staying the course with DEI in particular.

      • blakenong@lemmings.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        16
        ·
        1 day ago

        Kohls is too. They kept the policies but changed the title of the DEI program to hide from conservatives.

    • Match!!@pawb.social
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      10
      ·
      1 day ago

      kinda wanna make a pride float with all the banners of companies that abandoned pride this year

    • NotSteve_@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      edit-2
      21 hours ago

      It seems short sighted because the rest of the west isn’t nearly as bad as the USA. Do they really think the American right wing population is THAT worth pandering to that they’d give up their reputation to everyone else?

    • tigeruppercut
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      21 hours ago

      Maybe now they can put up swastikas as an empty gesture toward president musk

    • PugJesus@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      8
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      1 day ago

      But I think I liked it better when they did an empty gesture in support of gay rights rather than against them

      Just one of those things. Means nothing about the companies themselves, but means everything about where society in general is at.

  • SeaJ@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    42
    ·
    1 day ago

    The one time I went to Pride I was disappointed with how it was basically a bunch of corporate advertisements. I’d be happy to go again if the tone changes.

      • SeaJ@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        8
        ·
        edit-2
        23 hours ago

        Basically. My friends who always made pretty elaborate costumes for Pride stopped going because it was 90% ads and garbage swag.

        We’ll see how many of those corporations switch their logos come June.

    • tal@lemmy.today
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      4
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      24 hours ago

      The one time I went to Pride I was disappointed with how it was basically a bunch of corporate advertisements.

      If you’re selling a product aimed at a gay crowd, aside from profile-driven, targeted online advertising, how many better venues are you going to have to promote your stuff?

      Most Pride events that I think that I’ve seen images of are done in public areas in cities — kind of the point of them — and so whoever wants can do whatever.

      thinks

      I don’t think I’ve seen ads at Burning Man. Might be that they have restrictions on them.

      kagis

      Yup.

      https://survival.burningman.org/rules-and-regulations/commerce-concessions/

      Logos & branding

      Black Rock City is a decommodified zone where branding is not welcome. Advertising? Hell no. Launching a product? Not in Black Rock City. Burning Man is not a place to promote your business, website, or product.

      It’d be possible to go organize something like that in a controlled environment, I think. But if the point of a Pride parade is to increase visibility among the wider population, going to such a controlled environment seems like it’d be kind of counterproductive.

      • grue@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        19 hours ago

        It’s ironic that Burning Man is forced to use the tools of commodification to “protect its brand” against commodification.

      • SeaJ@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        23 hours ago

        If the products were actually aimed at a gay crowd, I’d be a little more okay with that. But the main funders were T-Mobile and Alaska Airlines.

  • kn0wmad1c@programming.dev
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    21
    ·
    23 hours ago

    The president himself couldn’t save Tesla stock. The president doesn’t have the power that the people do.

    These companies are on the wrong fucking side.

    • krashmo@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      6
      ·
      21 hours ago

      Not from where they’re sitting. We have to make this a true statement through collective action. Lemmy, and other decentralized forms of communication, will likely need to play a central role in organizing those actions. They’re not going to let us work towards removing their power using the platforms they control.

    • Snot Flickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      23
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      edit-2
      1 day ago

      Reminds me when Tim Cook came out as gay conveniently as all the investigations about Apple’s tax dodging were ramping up and rich successful gay white men in the media (*cough Chris Hughes cough) literally shut down stories on Apple’s tax dodging because of some bullshit malarkey about how it was attacking Tim Cook. I remember a bunch of bullshit about Tim Cook being “brave.”

      Yeah, a rich white guy in charge of one of the world’s richest companies who definitely has his own private security, that’s real fucking brave. What a joke. Actual bravery is a gay kid in the deep South coming out in their 500 person hometown.

      Shit, I knew a white kid from a town like that in Louisiana, and he wasn’t gay, just atheist, and some kids on the football team found out and beat the living shit out of him. His mom told him he asked for it for his beliefs. He filed for emancipation, applied for college, went to college at 16 and started double-majoring in molecular biology and botany. I hope he’s doing well.


      Source for my Chris Hughes claim:

      https://web.archive.org/web/20170308174919/https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/inside-collapse-new-republic

      Hughes’s eroding relationship with the staff took on an ideological edge. On the morning that Tim Cook, the C.E.O. of Apple, announced that he was gay, MacGillis wrote a note to “the Plank,” T.N.R.’s internal e-mail listserv for writers and editors. “I see the celebration of his announcement, while entirely justifiable, as another sign of what’s happened to liberalism today, where rights/identity liberalism trumps economic liberalism,” he wrote. “This is, after all, a guy who embodies so much of what’s amiss in the age of inequality—pulling down $378 million in 2011 alone; Apple skirting taxes more brazenly than anyone else—yet those revelations have caused barely a stir.”

      Hughes responded to the note six minutes later: “I think those are valid issues, although Apple has acted squarely within the law,” he wrote. “The law itself is fucked up. But I don’t think you can underestimate the difficulty of his decision or how tone deaf that argument would be today.”

      The other editorial employees on the list were surprised by the response. It was an internal listserv for writers and editors, and the staffers didn’t realize that Hughes, who had relinquished his title as editor-in-chief when he installed Vidra, was on it. MacGillis responded by saying that he would hold off on writing, but added, “Just for the record, though, it is not so clear that Apple acted squarely within the law. The law’s a mess, but Apple pushed the bounds of it more than anyone.” He pasted text from a piece in the Times that questioned some of Apple’s practices.

      “I’m confused,” Hughes wrote back. “Has anyone, including this article, said what they did was illegal? Companies have an obligation to their shareholders to maximize shareholder value, including through strategic tax planning.”

      • Eugene V. Debs' Ghost@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        7
        ·
        1 day ago

        Heartwarming: This billionaire con-artist who has swindled people into giving away digital autonomy, dodged taxes, uses inhumane labor overseas, and pretends to care about their end users is gay! ✨🌈

      • WHARRGARBL@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        7
        ·
        edit-2
        1 day ago

        Agree with everything except the circumstances of Tim Cook’s “bravery”. He was outed on tv in a catty way, which generated a big bubble of support for him before he carefully opened the closet door.

    • MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      5
      ·
      1 day ago

      Maybe where you’re at, but our pride was full of all colors of the rainbow and all walks of life. There were speeches from much older people talking about their joy when they were able to be married to their partner of several decades. There were people presenting from all over the gender spectrum. There were drag performers of all sizes and races and people who were just enjoying being themselves. There was a nonbinary artist with a beard in a dress that had a huge audience. It felt like a time to be around people who would love and accept you unconditionally.

      To your point about the cis white gay men: There was a much older lady running a booth (not selling just handing out fliers) for a first time sponsor, and I had such a lovely chat with her. Her husband came to keep her company and they were both expressing how they never really knew much about LGBT stuff but seeing people there and the joy really affected her. I don’t know if she was anti lgbt before, but you could tell she was really moved by seeing people basically just being at a fair, but able to be themselves. She told me about a gay couple that stopped by with their kids and how happy the kids looked. She even asked me about the flags (our pride had like every lgbt flag under the sun as freebies). Sure, maybe she’s only affected by the hetero seeming people that fit into the cis white 2.5 kids mold, but I really think it had an impact on her. So, to your point, sure I won’t argue that the hot cis white guys are probably more visible/“palatable” at pride, but it’s still a really important event for the community as a whole, and it’s gotten more open and accepting every year.

      • Snot Flickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        edit-2
        24 hours ago

        I’m gonna go out on a limb and say their point had less to do with the young athletic cis white gay men and more to do with the corporate funding… which is usually wealthy cis white gay men who may as well be wealthy cis white straight men with their politics.

        • MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          23 hours ago

          Maybe, but pride centering mostly attractive young cis white men has been a huge point for years, with (to my recollection) #prideSoWhite becoming a popular hashtag/rallying cry. I wasn’t on any social media outside of reddit at the time and even I saw people #prideSoWhite. Admittedly, both are issues, but I think the community understands that corpo sponsors are kinda necessary for the kind of pride people have become accustomed to, so generally the corpos get flack for sponsoring only a small “acceptable” portion of the community. I think asking community members to share the space with other community members has been the go to for resolving this, cuz you’re generally not gonna get corpos to sponsor them directly. I could be misreading their comment though.

      • meyotch@slrpnk.net
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        7
        ·
        22 hours ago

        They need 1.2 million to pull it off as planned. Scale back on the rainbow bunting. It’s a huge event and the vendors and businesses in the area rake in cash. It’s got some momentum and this year, based on <gestures at everything > it’s going to be a big pride season.

        I do not need corporate money in order to be gay in public.

        • jordanlund@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          21 hours ago

          Cutting back on bunting because you just lost $300,000 is like, I dunno, saying you want to balance the budget by cutting USAID. LOL.

          • meyotch@slrpnk.net
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            5
            ·
            21 hours ago

            Oh yeah that was totally hyperbolic, but let’s get down to it.

            What kind of party could you throw with $900K?

            My entire point is:

            We do not need their approval.

    • BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      10
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      1 day ago

      Black people have been under fire for the past 300 years, and are still under fire to this day due to DEI rollbacks, so your comment sounds like you are trolling.

      • Cocopanda@futurology.today
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        6
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        1 day ago

        I can understand that. I am wrong for saying that though. You are right. But even more. We need to take back what they are rolling back. All at risk individuals. Including myself with my terrible memory.