WTH is this shit?!

edit: for those wondering, the setting can be found under Settings -> Privacy -> GDPR for the EU version only I think

  • Kyle@lemmy.caEnglish
    303·
    11 months ago

    I’m saddened at the amount of uncivilized discourse going on in this thread.

    You can actually talk about these bugs and development with the developer on discord, and also submit reports and suggestions on GitHub.

    Saying things like “fuck this” and “uninstalling” about a beta that has had at least 2 versions updated today is the same kind of useless discourse I’d expect with failed protests on Reddit.

    Here is a more civilized critique of one of the gdpr functions on GitHub. https://github.com/laurencedawson/sync-for-lemmy/issues/200

    Perhaps you can make a new issue about a reject all button as well.

    Edit- this response is to the commenters here, not op. OP made a well formatted and polite issue on GitHub.

    • usernotfound@lemmy.mlEnglish
      84·
      11 months ago

      If its uncivilised to uninstall an app because it’s bugs are invading your privacy, then I don’t want to be civilised. If anything, I’m doing the author a favour by telling them why I’m using their competitors.

      • bluefirex@lemmy.worldEnglish
        51·
        11 months ago

        There is a big difference between “WTH is this shit” and “This is a reason for me to use another app”.

        • usernotfound@lemmy.mlEnglish
          12·
          11 months ago

          I agree that “fuck this” might be a bit too strong for some people, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with “uninstalling”, as long as the reasoning behind it is mentioned.

          Edit: I see now that you’re talking about hypotheticals, because nobody in this thread is doing that.

  • krigo666@lemmy.worldEnglish
    19·
    11 months ago

    The dialog shown does not comply to the GPDR. Makes it very difficult and time consuming to reject cookies and consent, according to the GPDR it has to have an option to do it quickly. This just a giant dark pattern dialog to make users give up.

    • WimpyWoodchuck@feddit.deEnglish
      9·
      11 months ago

      For me, everything was disabled once I opened the dialog options. Legitimate interest was still enabled, but that’s compliant to the GDPR.

      • Murvel@lemm.eeOPEnglish
        51·
        11 months ago

        ‘Legitimate interest’ consent for ad-tracking, as the settings state is not compliant with GDPR. ‘Legitimate interest’ consent bare bones and for security and other essential functions only, not ads.

      • Gamey@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        11 months ago

        It’s questionable, thechincally yes but most who ever use it try to fit all of the tracking in that too and I think that’s not as clear

      • SoaringDE@feddit.deEnglish
        1·
        11 months ago

        But wouldn’t “Confirm my Selection” reject all? It seema as though anything not necessary for proper functioning is diaanled unless you press enable all or manually enable some of them?

        • Gamey@lemmy.worldEnglish
          4·
          11 months ago

          Legidimate interest usually means almost everything is enabled but it’s sadly often not even against the GDPR, just scummy af!

    • dnzm@feddit.nlEnglish
      41·
      11 months ago

      Not just “should”, the GDPR actually requires it. Not giving consent must be an easy option, not this dark pattern clickfest bullshit.

  • usernotfound@lemmy.mlEnglish
    184·
    11 months ago

    Why is it called “Revoke consent”? Consent was never asked during setup, so how can it be revoked?

    Edit: oh great. It doesn’t even save your settings for objecting to “Legitimate interest”. Uninstalled.

    It’s ironic, because the companies who claim to have a legitimate interest in tracking my behaviour are the ones I want to block from tracking me most of all.

  • Double_A@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
    131·
    11 months ago

    This is the most asshole design for those dialogs. If it doesn’t have a “Deny all” button, fuck you.

    • LevsgetsoEnglish
      2·
      11 months ago

      It’s even worse when a site guilt trips you to accept cookies after you’ve denied them, or just doesn’t give you access to the site

  • SuperIce@lemmy.worldEnglish
    121·
    11 months ago

    You can’t even revoke consent in the US. I’ll be sticking with Thunder instead of Sync for Lemmy.

      • steveman_ha@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        11 months ago

        Can confirm, Jeroba has been really solid (minor hiccups occasionally w/ feeds and inbox not loading – usually fixed by refresh, sometimes by app restart) for the few weeks I’ve been using it. Well-featured, and looks/“feels” nice!!

        • PKlempe@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          11 months ago

          I was never able to login with Jerboa and regularly got JSON parsing errors and similar stuff. It sadly just didn’t work for me.

  • FunkyMonkey@feddit.deEnglish
    122·
    11 months ago

    I’m fully for supporting ljdawson and this app - the former version of which I’ve also purchased.

    So, I was really surprised when I saw that the gdpr consent form had some of the worst dark patterns with the opt-out “legitimate interest” for each party.

    The first time I was so excited to have sync again, that I just confirmed selection. Stupid of me. Second time, I spent minutes opting out of each individual party’s “legitimate interest” - after giving consent.

    No idea what this means or if ljdawson knew (he’s the dev though), but this really soured my experience.

    I think I’ll still purchase, but this sucks.

    Edit: I’ve since purchased the ad-free version. I want to give ljdawson the benefit of the doubt and maybe also chalk this up to the beta state. I just quite dislike dark patterns.

    • BrainisfineIthink@lemmy.oneEnglish
      4·
      11 months ago

      Highly recommend thunder or Connect as well if you aren’t satisfied with liftoff. I’ve used all (I think?) The android apps and those two go back and forth for my favorite. Thunder looks slickest but connect is the most stable and easy to navigate imo.

    • JohnEdwa@kbin.social
      8·
      11 months ago

      “Confirm Choices” should also function as that button, as the consent needs to be opt-in - nothing should be on by default.

      • SanguinePar@lemmy.worldEnglish
        4·
        11 months ago

        Can confirm this, I was offered (and chose) the Do Not Consent option. Weird that not everyone is seeing it.

        • Razp@lemm.eeEnglish
          0·
          11 months ago

          Was the update done server side or client? There was not any updates to the app

          • Murvel@lemm.eeOPEnglish
            01·
            11 months ago

            For me, the dialogue changed and I think the prompt is some html redirect. Gives me the option to deny all (but it currently does not work)

  • plantstho@kbin.social
    72·
    11 months ago

    I’m in the US and don’t have the ability to opt-out of these things.

    I used Sync for Reddit for many years but the Lemmy version’s privacy policy is not what I was hoping to see. I would love a clarification around what privacy improvements a subscription might add…

  • Ethalis@jlai.luEnglish
    61·
    11 months ago

    The two toggles called “Consent” and “Legitimate interest” is one of the most jarring things I’ve seen since GDPR came out. Those are legal basis for processing data, they’re not supposed to shown like that to the user, that just makes no sense.

    User have to opt-in for processing activities that are based on consent, and be allowed to opt-out of processing activities that are based on legitimate interest, but to do that they must know what those processing activities are in the first place!

    Edit: The more I think about it the more it makes my head hurt. What does a toggle just called “consent” mean? Am I opting in for “consent”? Why are they just writing “legitimate interest” without telling what is the interest and why it is legitimate? Complete nonsense