Did you seriously just turn trump talking about deporting us citizens because they are saying something he doesn’t like into “but here is why the democrats suck”?
This isn’t about Biden or Trump, at least not directly. This is about trying to save as many Palestinian lives as possible, assuming you actually care about them and aren’t just using them for political points.
The ideal situation is that the war ends and Israel completely fucks off. But the ideal solution is not a viable option currently. One candidate is keeping the status quo while criticizing Israel, or and the other candidate wants to intensifying the bombings and attacks on civilians and praises Israel.
Forget the names behind the candidates. Are you truly telling me that there’s no difference between these two candidates, and that one option does not kill countless more Palestinians than the other option?
I know that’ll never happen. That’s why I said it’s an ideal that won’t happen. What I’m talking about is picking the candidate who’ll kill fewer Palestinians and may listen to reason, over the one who’ll crush any dissent over the war and urge Netanyahu to continue.
Biden has spent literally 50 years in office and has been saying nonstop nothing would ever erode his support of Israel…
Nothing
And his actions back up his words here.
You think it’s a coincidence this is happening while he’s US president and Netanyhu was about to be ousted from power?
You know the bulk of the killing in concentration camps was when the nazis knew they were going to lose?
Bibi and his extremists were going to lose power, somehow one the planets biggest intelligence agencies let an attack thru on the anniversary of an attack during a music festival blocks away from the border?
I’m not saying Israel orchestrated it, but they definitely turned a blind eye to a perfect recipe for an attack and used it as an excuse to commit a genocide while they still had the power to do so.
And Biden spending 50 years saying he will unilaterally support Israel over everything certaintly played into any discussions about how this would go. Along with trump being the opponent being pretty much the only way Dem voters would vote for a Dem who wants to fund a genocide and crack down on his own voters for protesting.
This shit isn’t ok.
How do you propose we communicate that to DNC and Biden while shutting up and voting for Biden?
I think there is very much an argument for working to get Democrats we actually WANT to vote for down ballot so that we actually have someone “good” in 4 years.
Having the other candidate openly talk about violating the rights of a significant part of the country is not that moment. And the fact that you want to turn this into an attack on the Democrats makes me REALLY suspicious of what your actual motives are.
Obama was HEAVILY criticized for his, quite frankly excessive, use of drones in assassinations.
And Clinton had a LONG history of controversies even before he ran for office.
Regardless, Biden is the incumbent. Replacing him is the Democrats saying that they have no faith in the president.
Again, there is a lot of reason to discuss how to salvage the Democratic Party. But not really one where the opposition is talking about illegally deporting protesters.
Keep this up and people will assume you are just a dumbass tankie who is regurgitating Russian and CCP talking points.
No one said they were perfect but they were popular with voters.
Biden isn’t young, and he’s not charismatic. So he’s not popular with voters.
Are you forgetting how close 2020 was? Don’t be fooled when vote totals go up, they always go up with population. But even to get trump actively out of office, Biden pulled an embarrassing percent of eligible voters.
This election he’s less popular, and frankly he didn’t really have any room to spare.
You’re talking about this like reality matters, not perception.
And next time, at least put your insults at the front, I wouldn’t have typed all that if I’d seen it.
Did you seriously just turn trump talking about deporting us citizens because they are saying something he doesn’t like into “but here is why the democrats suck”?
Democrats do need a clearer distinction between themselves and Republicans on this issue.
If the Dems only standard is:
While I agree it’s good to at least maintain that, it’s not enough to get the votes need to beat Trump.
It barely worked when he was in office, why wouldn’t 24 be more like 16 than 20?
I don’t think people understand that when the candidates are as bad as Biden and trump, that being an incumbent is a disadvantage.
If you think people want Biden as president, you’re not paying attention
This isn’t about Biden or Trump, at least not directly. This is about trying to save as many Palestinian lives as possible, assuming you actually care about them and aren’t just using them for political points.
The ideal situation is that the war ends and Israel completely fucks off. But the ideal solution is not a viable option currently. One candidate is keeping the status quo while criticizing Israel, or and the other candidate wants to intensifying the bombings and attacks on civilians and praises Israel.
Forget the names behind the candidates. Are you truly telling me that there’s no difference between these two candidates, and that one option does not kill countless more Palestinians than the other option?
That will never happen with Biden.
I don’t know why you don’t understand it, maybe you’re just too used to his actions never following his words?
But he’s been saying nothing will ever lessen his support for Israel for about 50 years now…
This is one of his few promises he’s definitely keeping.
I know that’ll never happen. That’s why I said it’s an ideal that won’t happen. What I’m talking about is picking the candidate who’ll kill fewer Palestinians and may listen to reason, over the one who’ll crush any dissent over the war and urge Netanyahu to continue.
Biden has spent literally 50 years in office and has been saying nonstop nothing would ever erode his support of Israel…
Nothing
And his actions back up his words here.
You think it’s a coincidence this is happening while he’s US president and Netanyhu was about to be ousted from power?
You know the bulk of the killing in concentration camps was when the nazis knew they were going to lose?
Bibi and his extremists were going to lose power, somehow one the planets biggest intelligence agencies let an attack thru on the anniversary of an attack during a music festival blocks away from the border?
I’m not saying Israel orchestrated it, but they definitely turned a blind eye to a perfect recipe for an attack and used it as an excuse to commit a genocide while they still had the power to do so.
And Biden spending 50 years saying he will unilaterally support Israel over everything certaintly played into any discussions about how this would go. Along with trump being the opponent being pretty much the only way Dem voters would vote for a Dem who wants to fund a genocide and crack down on his own voters for protesting.
This shit isn’t ok.
How do you propose we communicate that to DNC and Biden while shutting up and voting for Biden?
I think there is very much an argument for working to get Democrats we actually WANT to vote for down ballot so that we actually have someone “good” in 4 years.
Having the other candidate openly talk about violating the rights of a significant part of the country is not that moment. And the fact that you want to turn this into an attack on the Democrats makes me REALLY suspicious of what your actual motives are.
This is Trump’s 3rd election…
Why are Dems still running unpopular candidates like Biden?
If all that matters is beating trump like they’ve been saying for over a decade, why dont we run a candidate that’s popular with voters?
Why run an old conservative just because trump is worse?
You know this isn’t the norm right? Do you not remember Bill and Obama’s first campaigns?
That’s the type of campaign we need, otherwise there’s a good chance Biden loses.
You can be mad at it, it you can accept it. But Biden isn’t popular due to his words and actions
Because he’s the sitting President and leader of the Democratic party. I don’t understand why this simple fact is so hard to understand.
There’s only one person who can decide Biden shouldn’t be the nominee and that’s Biden. See Johnson in '68. Johnson chose to step aside.
Obama was HEAVILY criticized for his, quite frankly excessive, use of drones in assassinations.
And Clinton had a LONG history of controversies even before he ran for office.
Regardless, Biden is the incumbent. Replacing him is the Democrats saying that they have no faith in the president.
Again, there is a lot of reason to discuss how to salvage the Democratic Party. But not really one where the opposition is talking about illegally deporting protesters.
Keep this up and people will assume you are just a dumbass tankie who is regurgitating Russian and CCP talking points.
They were young and charismatic…
No one said they were perfect but they were popular with voters.
Biden isn’t young, and he’s not charismatic. So he’s not popular with voters.
Are you forgetting how close 2020 was? Don’t be fooled when vote totals go up, they always go up with population. But even to get trump actively out of office, Biden pulled an embarrassing percent of eligible voters.
This election he’s less popular, and frankly he didn’t really have any room to spare.
You’re talking about this like reality matters, not perception.
And next time, at least put your insults at the front, I wouldn’t have typed all that if I’d seen it.