China using families as 'hostages' to quash Uyghur dissent abroad
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Refugees and activists tell the BBC intimidation tactics are tearing apart Uyghur communities overseas.
  • @[email protected]
    17•9 months ago

    This, my friend, is the absense of neocon/neolib censorship and propaganda that you were so used to on corporate social media.

    Isn’t it great?

      • @[email protected]
        5•9 months ago

        As long as you don’t question that the enemies of US imperialism deserve it you should be mostly fine. The big geopolitical topics are more sensitive.

        I was permabanned from multiple subs for sharing this telegraph article for example:

        https://web.archive.org/web/20230701133656/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8555142/Wikileaks-no-bloodshed-inside-Tiananmen-Square-cables-claim.html

        It differs from sub to sub but the bigger and more political the stronger the imperial narrative is enforced.

        r/worldnews is one of the worst, and honestly suspect its astroturf and run by assets or a derivative of an imperial institution (council on foreign relation, think tanks, the likes)

        • @[email protected]
          0•9 months ago

          There are literally pictures of bloodshed.

          I legitimately don’t understand why Leninists are so keen on making folk heroes out of tyrants. Why exert the energy to defend this shit instead of learning from it and building a better class of socialist??

          • @[email protected]
            5•9 months ago

            I’ll listen to western leftists when we actually take power and have to learn to use it to defend ourselves, currently we have a big fat 0 in the wins department

          • @[email protected]
            5•9 months ago

            There are literally pictures of bloodshed.

            Not in the Square itself, which was the scene of many absurd claims by defectors, like the “tanks crushing people to wash them down the gutters” cartoon bullshit.

            Here are interviews with some of the leaders of the protest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu3zmbFGwQA

          • @[email protected]
            1•9 months ago

            I legitimately don’t understand why Leninists are so keen on making folk heroes out of tyrants.

            What a sentence! You’re jumping to conclusions all over the place!

            You’re conflating information with a desire to “make folk heroes out of tyrants”, trying to denormalise a desire to understand what was actually happening.

            There was bloodshed but not on the Tienanmen square and the conditions are less clear than you believe

            It is obvious that most peoples idea of what happened is heavily influenced by propaganda, I know mine was.

            If you could stop sabotaging efforts to cut through the disinformation that would be great thanks

            Also: “They are tyrants” thanks I’ll defer judgement as long as the evidence you present us with turns out to be propaganda, there are other “tyrannical governments” much more in reach

            • @[email protected]
              -1•9 months ago

              A big part of my gripe here is precisely the idea that one can engage in critical analysis of statecraft, while hand waving away inconvenient statecraft. Or worse - supporting broad censorship of inconvenient statecraft.

              • @[email protected]
                0•9 months ago

                A big part of my gripe here is precisely the idea that one can engage in critical analysis of statecraft, while hand waving away inconvenient statecraft. Or worse - supporting broad censorship of inconvenient statecraft.

                I have no idea what that sentence is supposed to mean.

                My gripe here is that nobody can have an informed opinion on foreign policy if they do not acknowledge the tons of pro US propaganda that surround them on EVERY issue in this category and dominate most of it.

                It is important to call you out on your power-serving statements.

                You tried to push critical thought out of the overton window when you painted it a kind of sacrilege (“make folk heroes out of tyrants”) and everyone engaging in it someone that needs to be shunned by society (a “tankie”).

                Mind you all without addressing, let alone contesting, the facts.

                With all due respect: As long as your actions are indistinguishable from those of an imperialist social media asset, don’t expect any good will engagement.

                Have an open mind and start to reflect a little more

                • @[email protected]
                  1•9 months ago

                  But I am fine criticizing the US and acknowledging US propaganda. I do it all the time. You are the one dismissing anything which doesn’t align with a very narrow ML head-cannon as indicative of being a US intelligence asset. And you are telling me to have an open mind?

                  Buddy, there is an entire world of socialist thought and literature which diverges from and challenges ML dogma. Either you are unaware of this, or you are so narrow minded that you see anything outside of that script as some monolithic enemy.

                  • @[email protected]
                    0•9 months ago

                    Call me buddy all you want but it doesn’t change the fact that you are not good at making sense

                    You were and are the jumping to conclusions.

                    Case in point that complete second half is you responding to conclusions you’ve drawn up in your head. Re-read this threat nowhere is it ever about ML, or socialism. Why do you think its accurate to call me a ML?

                    This thread is about US propaganda on reddit, which I characterized by posting a fact that is affected by it with the goal of facricating consent for military action against another country.

                    You are the one dismissing anything which doesn’t align with a very narrow ML head-cannon as indicative of being a US intelligence asset

                    An obviously completly untruthful rendition of my statement. I phrased it carefully so if you’d do me the favor and try harder to understand it before you respond to it in ignorance I’d appreciate it

    • @[email protected]
      -5•9 months ago

      Isn’t ironic how tankies are entirely fueled by propaganda but they always bitch about propaganda (aka anything they don’t like including facts)

      • @[email protected]
        1•9 months ago

        Lol standard halfwit take:

        Adopting the “tankie” slur for everyone without substance and obviously no knowledge of what they are talking about - check

        Being embedded in propaganda and blaming others who point it out - check

        “You’re not including facts” - lol for what? Am I responding to a factual argument? Am I demanding facts from you?

        But sure have some facts:

        Guardian from 2011 - Revealed: US spy operation that manipulates social media

        Intercept from 2014 - HACKING ONLINE POLLS AND OTHER WAYS BRITISH SPIES SEEK TO CONTROL THE INTERNET

        Believe me it has only gotten worse in the >10 years since

        Twitter files revealed pentagon bots were whitelisted as well

        If you miss your propaganda friends that hard reddit is still there for you

        Edit: I realize your missing punctuation threw me off, I read: “(aka anything, they don’t like including facts)” …doesn’t change much though