More than 100 Arizona Palestinian, Arab, Muslim, and progressive Democrats and community leaders have signed a letter making the case for those reluctant to support Kamala Harris against Donald Trump.

“We know that many in our communities are resistant to vote for Kamala Harris because of the Biden administration’s complicity in the genocide,” the letter, published Thursday night, reads.

“Some of us have lost many family members in Gaza and Lebanon. We respect those who feel they simply can’t vote for a member of the administration that sent the bombs that may have killed their loved ones,” the letter continued. “As we consider the full situation carefully, however, we conclude that voting for Kamala Harris is the best option for the Palestinian cause and all of our communities.”

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    4 hours ago

    Yeah, it sucks but everyone just needs to hold their nose and do what will have the best outcome. Sadly, if Trump is elected, this will probably not be an issue in the future. Yeah, Harris needs to do more and the democrats need to be pressured into doing what’s right, but the only way that matters is if they’re in power. If Republicans have control, nothing you say regarding Palestine will matter.

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      4 hours ago

      If Republicans have control, nothing you say regarding Palestine will matter.

      I sadly suspect that political orthodoxy will continue, and that orthodoxy is “it’s okay for the IDF to kill innocent people”.

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        2 hours ago

        For sure, in the near future. Hopefully we can improve on that, but we have to have Palestinians alive to improve on it.

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          2 hours ago

          You cannot improve on it by giving unconditional support to those committing the genocide.

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            2 hours ago

            There are other means of resistance that don’t give power to those who will do worse. Take direct action and vote for who will reduce harm.

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              1 hour ago

              Do not normalize or support genociders.

              Re: reducing harm, genocide is as harmful as it gets and the candidate you are telkjng people to support is an active part of the ongoing genocide. The idea that you would be reducing harm by advocating for that is absurd.

              You should, of course, engage in meaningful resistance, but those who rationalize voting for genociders are not the people who do that. This is a barrier to action, it is complacency.

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      2 hours ago

      You should not normalize genocide by voting for any genocider candidate, nor publicly rationalizing doing so.

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          I would like you and others to stop normalizing the genocide of Palestine. If you stop announcing your unconditional support for the people genociding Palestine to any degree then it has been effective.

          In terms of being more generally politically effective, it is important to take a step away from the dictates of your political class faction. I think that having a simple red line of not supporting genocide should be enough for any moral person to do so.

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        2 hours ago

        We should protest and take action, but vote for those who will make things less bad. Our system is fucked, but making yourself effectively invisible doesn’t help. If your vote doesn’t got for one of the two parties you are worth as much as someone who doesn’t exist.

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          We should protest and take action, but vote for those who will make things less bad.

          The Biden-Harris administration is committing this genocide. “Less bad”, friend, they are doing the worst thing.

          Our system is fucked, but making yourself effectively invisible doesn’t help.

          Given the extent to which Dem voters rely on personal moralism, I think that “don’t vote for genocidera” should be enough. You are complicit if you vote for a person doing genocide.

          But if you prefer to think this is about strategy, what do you think makes your interests more relevant? Being a loudly guaranteed lever pull for the party even when you acknowledge they are doing a genocide, or someone that will, at least some of the time, actually withhold their vote on a stated principal?

          It is actually your logic that leads to irrelevancy. It is logic handed down by party PR ghouls and they repeat it because it works: it means they don’t need to listen to you, they can just convince you to disempower yourself!

          If your vote doesn’t got for one of the two parties you are worth as much as someone who doesn’t exist.

          I disagree, but even if I didn’t, a vote complicit in genocide is worse than not voting at all.

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            54 minutes ago

            They’re not doing the worst thing. Doing Genocide AND the 2025 Trump agenda is worse.

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              48 minutes ago

              Genocide is the worst thing and should be a red line. Please do your best to not help erase that red line.

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                40 minutes ago

                Question: Is genocide in Xinjiang a red line for you?

                I already know what your answer’s going to be, I’m just asking to highlight what your real goal here is.

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                  I do not live in China and cannot do any advocacy related to Xinjiang. Though I will point out that there is not a genocide there. By now you should be able to recognize the differences. The mass killings, the videos, the diaspora, the intense censorship. We could discuss the ridiculous think tank and fake university apparatus that sold that lie with the US State Department, but to be frank, it is disgusting to distract from opposition to the genocide of Palestinians with this lazy attempt at a gotcha. Personally, I think you should apologize.

                  I already know what your answer’s going to be, I’m just asking to highlight what your real goal here is.

                  My real goal is to advocate against normalization of genocide in the US. I have organized actions and protests to this effect for over a year.

                  Do your best to at least not believe your own bullshitting.

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                    28 minutes ago

                    Okay, so you’re okay with genocide in Xinjiang, just not in Gaza. And your strategy for solving the genocide in Gaza is to let someone come into power who’s even more pro-genocide that the tepid pro-genocide stance of the current Democrats. Dooming millions of innocent people who can’t fight back to a catastrophe beyond even their present catastrophe.

                    So you’re okay with certain genocides. And you don’t want strategies that will avoid a huge escalation of the existing genocide in Gaza.

                    It honestly doesn’t sound like you’re very anti-genocide.