Ugh, was hoping they’d never catch him.
Not looking forward to the upcoming demonization of him by the news.
Tear apart his manifesto, pull up some kooky tweets and his bed is made, next up they’ll find CP on his phone or some shit 🤦♂️
I really wonder why he’d keep walking around with the same gun, same fake ID and manifesto though. Did he want to get caught???
Tinfoil hat time: with the police looking increasingly incompetent with no suspect or leads, the first person apprehended who vaguely resembles the shooter is provided with a free ghost gun, fake ID, and manifesto. It’s all just too “slam dunk” perfect for me to not question it.
Nah, its quite difficult to forge bodycam videos. This isn’t the older era of “just put things in the person’s pocket and arrest him”. Too many cameras would be hard to plant so many items without getting caught.
Unless its a blackmail and he was coerced to become a scapegoat, its very hard to plant the evidence.
But if the body cam footage is missing for some reason, I’m gonna be very sus of this.
I don’t think that’s true at all. If anything, the perception that body cameras make the evidence found more solid actually increases the chances that evidence will be planted.
Multiple times now we have seen that these cameras do not record continuously. They have triggers like when the cop pulls a gun or shoots but otherwise need to be manually activated. And a lot of the time the cop knows the camera and will plant evidence before pretending to “discover” it on tape.
And we’re not talking about some random stop here. If this were to be a cover up type thing, it’d be much more carefully done. I mean not finding this guy would both embarrass police to an extreme degree and also encourage other people to do this stuff.
Whatever you do, do not underestimate the fact that elites want police to keep them safe and if some random person has to take the fall so they can say they caught someone, that’s absolutely what they’ll do.
I always have a heightened sense of skepticism because of the fact that I came from an authoritarian and got lied to. PRC, Tiananmen, ya know the deal…
That being said, I don’t think that every time the governemnt says something, its always a lie, or every time cops finds a perpetrator, its a scapegoat. Sometimes, government does tell the truth (keyword: “sometimes”). Sometimes, people do get caught.
But in my brain, events are never recorded as “This is 100% true” but more like “This is probably true according to the information I know, but there’s also a chance it isnt real”
Like, theres no way we even know if history is real. Maybe the entire human history was fabricated. We never know. But its really hard to go through life thinking “Everything is a lie” so I’ll just go with “Its probably true, but theres a chance it is a lie”
Ya get what I’m saying?
Nevertheless, whether this guy is the resl perpetrator or a scapegoat, ya bet I’d nullify this shit if I got on the Jury.
I thought so too, but if that’s the case, why would they have him “Found” on a McD’s after a call from a bystander?*
Doesn’t really make the cops look competent, now does it?
*Bystander or McD employee? The news sources seem conflicted on this…
Already people are at it coming up with reasons not to like this guy. Are we really expecting someone with perfect morals to suddenly come up with a plan to assissinate a CEO, execute it almost flawlessly and flee?
This guy doesn’t have to be my friend. I don’t really care if he admired right-wingers. Honestly almost everyone (including me) will have goofy stuff that you can bring up to discredit them. Are we not allowed to acknowledge the good that has happened since the shooting because this guy’s book review, a deranged college-age tweet, his preppy upbringing or whatever? We can’t acknowledge that authorizations have somehow gotten faster and denial rates plummeted? That a shitty restriction on anesthesiologist time was reversed? A national conversation was started on how strangely focused America media is on covering certain stories and aspect of that story compared to others? That for once the radical left and radical right could somehow agree on something?
These are the questions swirling through my head today. My hope is most people will see through the bullshit, and how to actually effect change quickly is to put real pressure on the top of the organization, preferably through non-violent means, in ways that truly remind them they are not immune from the damage they cause in search of ever-increasing profit.
It seems to me that social media, through the implementation of posts, likes, up- & down- votes, boosts, re-tweets, and etc., has created an unconscious universal belief that everyone gets a say on what and who is right or wrong through public idolizing or shaming. Masses of people that hold much worse opinions on a daily basis criticize others for saying or doing something that is divergent and exposed. People in the public are held to an undefined standard of perfection. In practice, people assess if they like someone or not, then surgically find anything to support that conviction. Without a bond to the figure or personal consequences to the castigator, understanding and compassion are prevailed over by resentment and hypocritical airs of moral superiority. Public figures become the target of everyone’s unresolved unconscious personal social gripes.
He saw the problem but had no idea what to do for solutions and the ones society was feeding him (he didn’t come up with that on his own) are bullshit. But society won’t tell you about Baudrillard.
This is something people need to get better at seeing. If we want to reach these people we need to understand what’s happening when they say things like this. We also, ourselves, need to understand this stuff so we can speak intelligently about it. You know the media and powers that be never will.
I don’t fully agree with him here, but I see where he’s coming from and respect his opinion. Personally I think these cultural elements are driven by material conditions, and that it would be better to address the underlying problem of social alienation and capitalist exploitation directly.
Ugh, was hoping they’d never catch him.
Not looking forward to the upcoming demonization of him by the news.
Tear apart his manifesto, pull up some kooky tweets and his bed is made, next up they’ll find CP on his phone or some shit 🤦♂️
I really wonder why he’d keep walking around with the same gun, same fake ID and manifesto though. Did he want to get caught???
Tinfoil hat time: with the police looking increasingly incompetent with no suspect or leads, the first person apprehended who vaguely resembles the shooter is provided with a free ghost gun, fake ID, and manifesto. It’s all just too “slam dunk” perfect for me to not question it.
Nah, its quite difficult to forge bodycam videos. This isn’t the older era of “just put things in the person’s pocket and arrest him”. Too many cameras would be hard to plant so many items without getting caught.
Unless its a blackmail and he was coerced to become a scapegoat, its very hard to plant the evidence.
But if the body cam footage is missing for some reason, I’m gonna be very sus of this.
I don’t think that’s true at all. If anything, the perception that body cameras make the evidence found more solid actually increases the chances that evidence will be planted.
Multiple times now we have seen that these cameras do not record continuously. They have triggers like when the cop pulls a gun or shoots but otherwise need to be manually activated. And a lot of the time the cop knows the camera and will plant evidence before pretending to “discover” it on tape.
And we’re not talking about some random stop here. If this were to be a cover up type thing, it’d be much more carefully done. I mean not finding this guy would both embarrass police to an extreme degree and also encourage other people to do this stuff.
Whatever you do, do not underestimate the fact that elites want police to keep them safe and if some random person has to take the fall so they can say they caught someone, that’s absolutely what they’ll do.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/07/20/538279258/baltimore-police-caught-planting-drugs-in-body-cam-footage-public-defender-says
IIRC Baltimore got caught that way twice. I’m too lazy to google the other incident now though.
I always have a heightened sense of skepticism because of the fact that I came from an authoritarian and got lied to. PRC, Tiananmen, ya know the deal…
That being said, I don’t think that every time the governemnt says something, its always a lie, or every time cops finds a perpetrator, its a scapegoat. Sometimes, government does tell the truth (keyword: “sometimes”). Sometimes, people do get caught.
But in my brain, events are never recorded as “This is 100% true” but more like “This is probably true according to the information I know, but there’s also a chance it isnt real”
Like, theres no way we even know if history is real. Maybe the entire human history was fabricated. We never know. But its really hard to go through life thinking “Everything is a lie” so I’ll just go with “Its probably true, but theres a chance it is a lie”
Ya get what I’m saying?
Nevertheless, whether this guy is the resl perpetrator or a scapegoat, ya bet I’d nullify this shit if I got on the Jury.
I thought so too, but if that’s the case, why would they have him “Found” on a McD’s after a call from a bystander?*
Doesn’t really make the cops look competent, now does it?
*Bystander or McD employee? The news sources seem conflicted on this…
The local police responded and are holding the suspect for NYPD while they travel to interview the suspect.
Imagine being that cop and you know you are too stupid for the job haha
Social Media has been on his side up to this point and beat down fake news narrative.
The job ain’t done.
The US is too good at destroying people’s reputation, yeah. This guy is gonna get vilified hard (whether he did it or not).
Already people are at it coming up with reasons not to like this guy. Are we really expecting someone with perfect morals to suddenly come up with a plan to assissinate a CEO, execute it almost flawlessly and flee?
This guy doesn’t have to be my friend. I don’t really care if he admired right-wingers. Honestly almost everyone (including me) will have goofy stuff that you can bring up to discredit them. Are we not allowed to acknowledge the good that has happened since the shooting because this guy’s book review, a deranged college-age tweet, his preppy upbringing or whatever? We can’t acknowledge that authorizations have somehow gotten faster and denial rates plummeted? That a shitty restriction on anesthesiologist time was reversed? A national conversation was started on how strangely focused America media is on covering certain stories and aspect of that story compared to others? That for once the radical left and radical right could somehow agree on something?
These are the questions swirling through my head today. My hope is most people will see through the bullshit, and how to actually effect change quickly is to put real pressure on the top of the organization, preferably through non-violent means, in ways that truly remind them they are not immune from the damage they cause in search of ever-increasing profit.
It seems to me that social media, through the implementation of posts, likes, up- & down- votes, boosts, re-tweets, and etc., has created an unconscious universal belief that everyone gets a say on what and who is right or wrong through public idolizing or shaming. Masses of people that hold much worse opinions on a daily basis criticize others for saying or doing something that is divergent and exposed. People in the public are held to an undefined standard of perfection. In practice, people assess if they like someone or not, then surgically find anything to support that conviction. Without a bond to the figure or personal consequences to the castigator, understanding and compassion are prevailed over by resentment and hypocritical airs of moral superiority. Public figures become the target of everyone’s unresolved unconscious personal social gripes.
You’re right, this is very destructive.
lol exactly.
I can appreciate his contribution without endorsing his every single facet.
The whole point here is that we are all people mostly decent with our own flaws.
We have more income than not… it is time to get over ourselves and start focusing on shit that matters like health, housing, and education.
I doubt we will get another moment like this, it is once in generation.
Dismantle the health insurance industry!
With the whole thing of the monopoly money…I think he wanted to be found to make a statement
Yes it does seem this was always about sending a message.
all of these elements are exactly the kind of Hyperreality that Baudrillard wrote about in Simulation and Simulacra.
I agree with Luigi that it’s bad for humans to live in a simulated experience 24/7, but not with his ultimate conclusions about remedies.
He saw the problem but had no idea what to do for solutions and the ones society was feeding him (he didn’t come up with that on his own) are bullshit. But society won’t tell you about Baudrillard.
This is something people need to get better at seeing. If we want to reach these people we need to understand what’s happening when they say things like this. We also, ourselves, need to understand this stuff so we can speak intelligently about it. You know the media and powers that be never will.
I don’t fully agree with him here, but I see where he’s coming from and respect his opinion. Personally I think these cultural elements are driven by material conditions, and that it would be better to address the underlying problem of social alienation and capitalist exploitation directly.