To keep in line with the scripture that defines the sacrament of marriage as between a man and a woman, he created a second type of marriage for everyone else so their unions may be officially blessed by the church, and basically said that it is not up to the church to judge people for their way of life but up to god.
Francis has actually been a very progressive pope, making great strides to make the church a more welcoming place.
Disclaimer: I’m an atheist myself, not a catholic. Still I can commend positive change, and the fact that so many more bigoted church people are bitching about what he did should emphasize the seriousness of his changes.
So people ask priests to bless stuff rather often. Stuff like babies, boats, cars, fields, tractors, running shoes, and whatever else. This is the kind of religious tradition that goes back a long way before Christianity, but nevertheless, the Roman Catholic church has policies, procedures, and liturgical texts for how to do it.
These types of blessings are not usually a major part of spiritual life for most people.
Previously, it was explicitly forbidden for a priest to offer this kind of blessing to a sane-sex couple. That is now permitted, but the priest must take steps to ensure that no one is confused that this might be a marriage, which it is definitely not (in the eyes of the church).
he created a second type of marriage for everyone else so their unions may be officially blessed by the church
The church doesn’t have the power to create different types of marriages and neither does the pope. I do not believe the nature of the change made is being described or reported accurately. It is being oversimplified.
Francis has actually been a very progressive pope, making great strides to make the church a more welcoming place.
I agree. I think a lot of changes he has made are good. I think this change is good. I think reporting on it has been dumbed down to the point of being incorrect.
From my understanding he didn’t create any sort of new officially sanctioned union. He simply allowed blessings of same sex couples with some caveats. Mostly that the blessing cannot occur directly in connection with any sort of union ceremony (marriage, civil union, etc) and that it cannot involve any of the typical trappings of a marriage ceremony so as to avoid confusion.
So basically, you can’t get the blessing at your actual wedding. You can’t get the blessing if you show up in tuxedos/bridal dresses, exchange rings, whatever else even if technically it isn’t a wedding. Simply show up together on any random day as a couple and ask for a blessing without those things? Sure they’ll do it. Whereas before they couldn’t.
In the USA. But I hear that German priests were doing this blessing. So the Pope needs to make an announcement to keep the Church unified on this issue.
The church has always had a unified stance on this, but there are a lot of priests out there, and many of them will go rogue at times. You’re seeing it with Catholic leadership in the US right now, especially over politics. Being a diehard supporter for Trump and being a Catholic is becoming a much more difficult tightrope to walk because it often backslides into rejecting basic social norms and human decency. Notice how he just removed a bishop who had become particularly loud lately.
Basically, it’s impossible to audit every single priest, bishop, deacon, cardinal, etc. out there and make sure they are 100% nailing everything exactly right. The church kind of dragged its feet on LGBTQ issues even as they were rapidly changing in the world, so naturally some people started taking it upon themselves to give it their own individual spin and went a little more hard line or loose. That stuff tends to shake out overtime as the church makes its existing stance clearer or clarifies how to apply it to new situations - often in response to deviation.
Yes, he actually did.
To keep in line with the scripture that defines the sacrament of marriage as between a man and a woman, he created a second type of marriage for everyone else so their unions may be officially blessed by the church, and basically said that it is not up to the church to judge people for their way of life but up to god. Francis has actually been a very progressive pope, making great strides to make the church a more welcoming place.
Disclaimer: I’m an atheist myself, not a catholic. Still I can commend positive change, and the fact that so many more bigoted church people are bitching about what he did should emphasize the seriousness of his changes.
So people ask priests to bless stuff rather often. Stuff like babies, boats, cars, fields, tractors, running shoes, and whatever else. This is the kind of religious tradition that goes back a long way before Christianity, but nevertheless, the Roman Catholic church has policies, procedures, and liturgical texts for how to do it.
These types of blessings are not usually a major part of spiritual life for most people.
Previously, it was explicitly forbidden for a priest to offer this kind of blessing to a sane-sex couple. That is now permitted, but the priest must take steps to ensure that no one is confused that this might be a marriage, which it is definitely not (in the eyes of the church).
The holy blessing of the server room
If Radius stays up for a week I’ll convert.
Heh
Mythical, no such entity
The church doesn’t have the power to create different types of marriages and neither does the pope. I do not believe the nature of the change made is being described or reported accurately. It is being oversimplified.
I agree. I think a lot of changes he has made are good. I think this change is good. I think reporting on it has been dumbed down to the point of being incorrect.
From my understanding he didn’t create any sort of new officially sanctioned union. He simply allowed blessings of same sex couples with some caveats. Mostly that the blessing cannot occur directly in connection with any sort of union ceremony (marriage, civil union, etc) and that it cannot involve any of the typical trappings of a marriage ceremony so as to avoid confusion.
So basically, you can’t get the blessing at your actual wedding. You can’t get the blessing if you show up in tuxedos/bridal dresses, exchange rings, whatever else even if technically it isn’t a wedding. Simply show up together on any random day as a couple and ask for a blessing without those things? Sure they’ll do it. Whereas before they couldn’t.
In the USA. But I hear that German priests were doing this blessing. So the Pope needs to make an announcement to keep the Church unified on this issue.
The church has always had a unified stance on this, but there are a lot of priests out there, and many of them will go rogue at times. You’re seeing it with Catholic leadership in the US right now, especially over politics. Being a diehard supporter for Trump and being a Catholic is becoming a much more difficult tightrope to walk because it often backslides into rejecting basic social norms and human decency. Notice how he just removed a bishop who had become particularly loud lately.
Basically, it’s impossible to audit every single priest, bishop, deacon, cardinal, etc. out there and make sure they are 100% nailing everything exactly right. The church kind of dragged its feet on LGBTQ issues even as they were rapidly changing in the world, so naturally some people started taking it upon themselves to give it their own individual spin and went a little more hard line or loose. That stuff tends to shake out overtime as the church makes its existing stance clearer or clarifies how to apply it to new situations - often in response to deviation.