Afternoon everyone,
I wanted to go over a few points related to pricing, stats and the roadmap
Pricing
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Sync for Lemmy is completely free with ads (the same as Sync for Reddit)
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You can remove ads in the account picker or drawer for a one time fee of ~$20
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Sync Ultra also removes ads but it’s not required
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I’ll be working on regional prices over the coming weeks
There are now 24k installed users up from 100 the previous day!
I’m going to be spending the next few days going through all of the comments / messages and fixing any crashes.
As always thanks for the support and hope you’re liking Sync!
Lj
Edit: testing edit
I just wanted to say I’m sorry for the backslash you’re getting for charging money.
I’m also sorry people expect it to be $1 because the Reddit app was $1 back in 1825. I genuinely believe it’s children complaining, because no functioning adult would complain about a price increase when rent has tripled or quadrupled since the $1 Reddit app. It’s also annoying to see that people think that saying they bought the Reddit app for $1 and enjoyed it for 10 years is an argument. It goes to show it was severely underpriced.
It must be frustrating to have that type of response. Lemmy users seem to be really entitled when it comes to software, and the response you’re getting scares me for the future. I really hope the Boost developer doesn’t cancel his app after seeing how entitled Lemmy users are being right now.
What frustrates me more is the people complaining are continuing to use the free open source apps. Like great, you already have an alternative you prefer. Shut up. Stop bringing others down.
I wish you the best. Thank you for choosing to develop for Lemmy. I have my eyes on Boost, but I’m gladly using your free tier for the time being.
Thanks again!
I paid 5 dollars back in 2016, and I was fully expecting to pay more for this version. 20 dollars for no ads is fine by me. However, I don’t feel like the 100 dollars for lifetime ultra is worth it. Maybe someday when I feel like those extra perks are worthwhile
I paid like 80 bucks about a year ago. And here I am rallying for ljd to keep providing a solid client that works the way I want it to.
I followed like sheep, and baaaah take my money.
What bothers me with this controversy is that it’s not clear for me how one can earn a living in the lemmy ecosystem if everything is FOSS. Also, one should understand that the app is in beta, but there was so much hype around that app.
I’m fine with a price increase, but 4 times the price is quite the increase. Haven’t made up my mind if it’s worth it for me yet, if it was 5€ or maybe 10€ I would have immediately bought it.
Agreed, $10 would’ve been an insta buy.
At $20 I guess maybe I’ll get it once v1.0 comes out, we’ll see.¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The people complaining about the price are the people that truly have no understanding how much love and care goes into creating good software. 20 dollars to remove ads for however many hours sync is going to save me with searching for each instance is well worth the cost for supporting development in the future.
Under AUD$2 to AUD$34 is quite the leap, and more than double what I anticipated.
I was very happy to drop AUD$10-15, and I’m aware that what I paid in 20 dickity 13 was a steal.
Quadrupled app costs would have been a bargain in my eyes.
Don’t worry, it’s a yearly subscription, not a one time purchase.
Ad removal is a one time purchase. The yearly is for Ultra.
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LJ,
I too am a reddit refugee. I like what you’ve done with this place.
:)
But we have to talk about pricing and privacy.
Pricing: tbh I see not much wrong with the 20 bucks. But I do think that you should take 2 bucks from that and donate one to the lemmy org (this is not reddit, nobody is getting paid, the lemmy devs also need an incentive) and the other one to lemmy.world because that’s the instance you’re dumping us all on. Hosting is not free, lemmy.world costs money and probably a lot of time to run. Being a reddit admin is a payed job, being Ruud at lemmy.world is most certainly not.
In this way “we” are giving back to the Foss community and it should silence a lot of critics. In that way you don’t look like the evil capitalist earning a quick buck over the back of free labour of the foss community. I think that’s 2 bucks well spent.
Privacy: since you’re using admob and I forgot the other one, privacy is out the window. That’s a big issue for the Foss community we’re all relying on. Maybe it’s wise to point out that once you pay for sync all that tracking that admob and the other one (not you I hope) does is out the window.
$20 is enough of a barrier to keep out new people. I was considering maybe trying it out until then.
I don’t remember what I paid for RiF years ago, but it was a lot less than that. Heh, I looked it up. November 27th, 2013 I paid $1.99 for RiF. January 4th, 2014 I paid $0.99 for Sync for Reddit. I never used it, but apparently I had it.
$5-$8 seems much more reasonable. You’d probably even make more money through volume. $20 is prohibitive.
Edit: Oh God, it’s $20 per year?!? Is that a joke?
Edit: Oh God, it’s $20 per year?!? Is that a joke?
No, it’s a one time payment just to remove ads.
Why Lemmy.world, though? There are many instances and all of them cost money.
In this way “we” are giving back to the Foss community and it should silence a lot of critics.
I think you underestimate how negative the Internet can be. :) People will just find a new aspect of the app to complain about.
Whether the pricing is appropriate is purely subjective. I paid the 20 bucks, thank you for your work. Looking forward to see this app thrive, it already works super smooth!
Hope you do not take the inevitably rude comments to heart.
My wishlist:
- Downvote counts
- Mod tools
https://github.com/laurencedawson/sync-for-lemmy/issues/128
https://github.com/laurencedawson/sync-for-lemmy/issues/137
I thought there was a catch all for moderator tools, but I can’t find it.
I believe adding mod tools was mentioned in the Discord. They are also planned to be free without anything being locked behind an IAP
Yup, first round of them went live today.
Yep mod tools for everyone.
Today’s update added mod tools
A part from the comments on the images, I think there is a bug with alignment because the first comment has 3 lines instead of one as you can see
It’s not an alignment issue, the comment tree is actually loading up backwards sometimes.
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It’s the best app but the pricing is insane. I mean, maybe you have experience from your other apps and you know this is the optimal price, but otherwise, consider changing it. People are surprised by the high price right now.
If it was me, I would price it like this:
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Remove ads - $10 lifetime.
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Ultra monthly - $3 per month, $20 per year, $50 lifetime.
Those sums are realistic and people are likely to find them acceptable. You would get more users instead of less users paying more.
But this is just me and I speak only as someone who never had an app in a appstore. Maybe you know better. But that’s what I would do.
I would say that is still high for ultra. Imo:
Remove ads - $10 lifetime.
Ultra monthly - $1 per month, $10 per year, $30 lifetime.
I would definitely consider lifetime if that was the case. And you would have a ton more users signing up. The number of users should more then make up for the lower prices.
Edit: Question for people downvoting me, do you think I’m being cheap with these prices? $1/month doesn’t sound much, but that is the point. It is still $12/year and the amount of users would more then make up for it.
I think the problem with comparing pricing on Lemmy with comparing pricing on Reddit is the scale of numbers. Reddit love it or hate it, had a much greater potential of paid users. When you have to make similar (or at least sustainable) income from a smaller pool of users, prices are going to reflect that (at least short term).
Also when you math it out pricing isn’t all that crazy:
$20 ad free lifetime = ~$1.70 USD/mo for 1yr = ~$0.06 USD/per day for a year
$100 Ultra = ~$8.34 USD/mo for 1yr - ~$4.17 USD/mo for 2yrs = ~$0.27 USD/per day for a year = ~$0.14/per day for 2yrs
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I’m seriously impressed with how functional this app is from the start. Like lots of others have said, it felt like coming home given how long I’d used Sync for. Didn’t hesitate to pay for the ad free version once that option was added.
It’s almost kinda creepy how much it feels just like the other place
Yeah I stumbled upon this cause relay is kinda meh, sign up was like ah crap what’s all this server nonsense but the app does a great job of streamlining it I was surprised! Quiter so far but has some of the communities I like in the other place without thousands of comments
The backlash has surprised me a bit. I agree the price is a bit steep but considering the userbase is only a fraction of what Reddit has, it’s understandable that the price would be higher.
I just didn’t expect such negative reactions to either the ad component or the price. A lot have mentioned that it could become a form of gatekeeping for newcomers. I just hope it won’t turn out that way.
I paid $30 for a launcher (Niagara). It was worth it. I’ll give Sync a few days and will probably end up throwing down some cash. Seems solid so far.
Ah fuck yeah, Niagara is such a damn good launcher.
All the backlash comes from the elitists that have been using Lemmy before the reddit API change, and I guarantee everybody will shut up about it in a week or so.
Lemmy users when reddit users transfer over: omg welcome to our humble little boards! Feel free to use it however you desire!
Lemme users when a developer makes an app for it: NO YOU FUCKING WORTHLESS MORON YOU’RE SELLING YOUR SOUL $20 IS MORE THAN I’VE EVER HAD IN MY LIFE AND YOU WANNA THROW IT AWAY??? THIS WEB APP THAT HAS NO ANIMATIONS AND NO FEATURES AND RUNS LIKE SHIT IS THE BEST AND ANYBODY WHO ARGUES WITH ME IS A SHILLLLLLLLLLLLL
Took me a while to figure out how to sign in with my lemdro.id account.
Maybe it’s embarrassing to admit but I must have scanned through that long list of servers five times before realizing I could just type in my own server. Could be helpful to add a line inviting users to type in their own server.
I did this exact same thing! I kept scrolling up and down thinking I must have missed it somewhere on the list considering lemdro.id is in the Play Store screenshots 😅.
I think the biggest complaints are about the tracking stuff. That was a surprise to me as a long time user.
Same. Glad it gets completely disabled once ads are gone.
I don’t know if this is already the case or not, or how hard it would be to implement, but since Ultra is a superset of ad-free, it would be swell if there was upgrade pricing so you could pay $80 to go from ad-free to Ultra. I definitely want ad-free but I’m not sure about Ultra and so I’m not getting either until I can make that decision to avoid throwing $20 down a hole.
I could go down that route but for now if you want to switch DM me your order number and I’ll do it manually.
Props to you for both the offer and the plan. I appreciate you ljd.
I got the lifetime sync ultra subscription for the reddit app for 34.99 after getting the ad-free version and then the pro version because I really liked it. I only used it for half a year, but hey, I guess that’s the gamble you take with lifetime subscriptions. I now see that the lifetime subscription is €114.99?! Is this a mistake? What is going on here?
If I compare it to the 18.99 a year price, it’d take over 6 years to break even. If I compare it to the old 11.99 price, it’d take over 9.5 years. I just don’t understand the logic here.
Your lifetime is probably longer than 10 years.
Mine is, but the app might not be.
Proof: Sync for Reddit Ultra Lifetime lasted around half a year.
Also remember it was Reddit that decided Sync’s lifetime, not LJ.
Thank you for working so hard and fast! I know there’s a lot of people talking down about it being closed source and optionally costing money, but as a long-time user and patron it’s completely worth it for the quality of experience you’re able to deliver!
First time posting on Lemmy as a whole.
Thank you for making this app, been a Sync user for years and you made the hop to Lemmy seamless.
Already paid for ad-free and cannot wait to see where the app goes from here.
Welcome to Lemmy! Don’t forget to check out sub.rehab to find subreddits that have migrated over (like /r/android to [email protected]).
A nice feature for us new people would be a way to subscribe to a community from the everything feed as opposed to having to click through to the community page.
This is one nice UX thing I noticed that Threads did and made it much easier to follow people from the main feed.