• BorgDrone@lemmy.one
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    1 year ago

    I feel a bit conflicted on this. On the one hand, charging for heated seats that are already there and which is a purely hardware feature is bullshit.

    Other things like Full Self Driving aren’t as black and white. Sure, the sensors are there but those are relatively cheap. A massive part of FSD is the software, and developing this kind of software is extremely expensive.

    Should everyone get a copy of Windows and Office for free because it’s ‘just some bits’ and the hardware is already there?

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      1 year ago

      Calling it Full Self Driving is fraud, anyways.

      I don’t think licenses and/or subscriptions should be allowable on cars. Selling the car means it might not transfer and there’s little way to ensure it has the software you need.

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        1 year ago

        Should programmers work for free? Will someone provide me with a free car to develop this on? Will someone provide me with a free test track?

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          The programmers who wrote the code were already paid, this argument doesn’t really hold up.

          Also, the notion of people automatically not getting paid because open source is a farce.

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            The programmers who wrote the code were already paid, this argument doesn’t really hold up.

            They can be paid because the company they work for charges money for what they produce.

            The programmers who wrote the code were already paid, this argument doesn’t really hold up.

            The idea that all, or even most, software should be open source is also ridiculous.

            I think OSS is great, but it’s mainly suitable for a specific class of software. Specifically: software that everyone needs and where there is no point in having a lot of different implementations. If something is needed by everyone, then everyone should pitch in share the cost and effort. Take operating systems: everyone needs a general purpose OS, so having something like Linux makes sense. Everyone needs a HTML rendering engine, so that also makes sense as an OSS project. More specific software with a small target audience is better suited as closed software.

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          Should programmers work for free?

          Most of the Internet as well as the Fediverse is built on open source software by people who aren’t working for free.

          Will someone provide me with a free test track?

          Should I be hit by a self-driving car by someone who didn’t pay extra to make it safer?

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      1 year ago

      The windows analogy is almost there.

      It’s more like, you pay for windows home edition, which would take up 24gb in your 128gb hard drive. But nope, it’s actually taking up 89gb. Why? Because it has all the features of Windows Ultimate edition, all locked away, taking up precious space in a hard drive that you’ve paid for.

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        1 year ago

        So you’re worried about the hard disk space in your car ? Can you even access that as an end-user?

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            What components are adding weight? AFAIK the components used by FSD are already in use by other features.

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              I’m not specifically talking about FSD, and if that is the case, then cool.

              But when it’s shit like heated seats, then that’s bullshit. If you ever need to replace your seats, they will make you pay for the expensive model - with that disabled feature.

              Anyway. Regardless, I’ll never buy a car with disabled features unless I pay a subscription.

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            1 year ago

            Sure, but your analogy doesn’t make any sense. There is no downside to you because of this feature being in your car in a disabled state.

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              It’s not my analogy, but it does make sense if you even remotely think about it. The downside is that my car carries extra weight in the form of this additional hardware. Also depending on exactly what the hardware is, it can be an additional point of failure that could potentially cause things that I do have access to to break. Lastly, it’s fair to assume that the price of the car would be cheaper if Tesla didn’t have to install this hardware into every car even if it will never be used, so you are likely already paying for this in “hidden” costs that are just rolled into the total price of the car before even paying to enable the features.

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      The pricing and resale structure for “full self driving” is insane and anti-consumer so I lean towards enabling the software with a jailbreak not being a horrible thing. I certainly would have no issue with this being done on a used car that had the paid “full self driving” software removed by the mothership.