• Thief_of_Crows@lemmy.ml
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    8 months ago

    Israel did significantly worse to Gaza prior to 10/7 than gaza has cumulatively done to Israel to date, and it’s not remotely close. An article I found from may 2021 cited 5600 dead palestinians (115,000 injured) and 250 dead Israelis (5600 injured) between 2008 and 2020. And it’s actually a bit misleading to only use numbers back to 2008, because it goes back much farther.

    So yes, it is accurate to say that had things continued as they were going, Palestine would have fully died out in the first half of this century.

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      8 months ago

      it is accurate to say

      You’re kidding. 5600 dead in a course of 12 years is not how Palestinians would be able to fully die out. You can’t justify October 7 attack with this kind of data.

      Surely though, whatever source you got will count current deaths during the ground operation towards the record. And it won’t be exactly fair. Every spike on graphs have the reason and it’s not the “hey we didn’t kill enough Palestinians yesterday, let’s get back to work” reason. Not sure why do I even need to explain such simple things.

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        Sure, maybe extinction was too far. But certainly the trajectory prior to 10/7 was not something Palestine could abide. And it’s also certain that by 2050, 100% of the land making up Palestine would be stolen. Claiming that Hamas started the war is 100% false, noatter which way you look at it.

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          8 months ago

          But certainly the trajectory prior to 10/7 was not something Palestine could abide.

          It could not survive or it could not tolerate Israel?

          And it’s also certain that by 2050, 100% of the land making up Palestine would be stolen.

          Stealing the whole Palestine land sounds improbable to the same extent “kill all Jews” does.

          Claiming that Hamas started the war is 100% false, noatter which way you look at it.

          I did not claim that. I don’t think what’s happening is a war. But I will claim that the ground operation was caused by hamas’ actions. This could’ve been predicted and avoided. Hamas proved themselves to be ineffective in whatever they were trying to achieve, and in caring about citizens. I’m surprised why people aren’t asking them to surrender themselves and hostages to stop the operation asap, as it would prevent further casualties.

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            8 months ago

            Because nobody in Gaza is naive enough to believe Israel would actually do as they say. Israel has been steadily taking their land for decades, it’s already over half gone. 2050 is an optimistic guess.

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              8 months ago

              If you insist Israel being inconsistent to that extent I wonder how would you justify them not starting the ground operation earlier.

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                8 months ago

                Hamas not starting it earlier? Gaza wasn’t capable of it prior to 10/7. 10/7 happened because Israel got complacent and assumed the “animals” they were caging weren’t intelligent at all. Israel assumed they had all given up.

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                  8 months ago

                  Did they tell you that? You just assume Israel’s plan was to do nothing until Gaza lives on a 1 m^2 land? If I wanted to exterminate something that is growing in population by year I’d act asap.

                  Also no matter how you look at it the 10/7 was not intelligent at all. Unless you call fulfilling a blood revenge intelligent.