Oh no $20 to remove ads from an app that was made by one guy as his full time job. I’m proud to support anyone who works hard to make a more accessible, more enjoyable experience.
Oh no ads track you! My full time job is literally managing Google ads. We barely tracked you personally as it was. We could anonymously target generally the things you were interested in buying or what you’ve recently been looking at online.
And then Google killed Google Analytics and it’s a shell of what it once was, and your data is even more anonymous!
If I work for a lawnmower company I couldn’t give a shit who you are or what you do online, all I care about is if you’re thinking about buying a lawnmower, so my client can show you what he’s got to offer. Then you can ignore the ads if you don’t like the product or its price point. That’s what Google does.
I’d rather that than be shown “Generic Chinese cashgrab mobile game ad that doesn’t actually reflect the gameplay” ads.
The guy worked hard to make possibly the best UI/UX on the platform. Either pay for his work or let him get the (barely any) money from showing ads to pay for his time. Either way, he worked for it.
Do you work full time for free too?
I don’t think most people worry about lawnmowing company. They worry about Google.
What google essentially sale is manipulation: they make money by changine your behavior, which is a extermely dangerous business in a democratic society. What makes it even more dangerous are
- It is a for-profit company, which means people with more money have more power to manipulate the general public
- It caters to U.S. government (since it is based in the U.S.), which is one of the most imperialistic governments today, with a terrible record of over-surveillance.
- Everything can be hacked, all the information that is stored will be leaked sooner or later. And these data can easily fall into the wrong hand; in fact, they tends to fall into the wrong hand.
That’s all perfectly sensible things to be concerned about. But given that we’re talking about an android app - if you’re eligible to use the app, Google almost certainly already has all your data anyways.
Yeah I’m sure there’s a tiny subsection of the people in these discussion who have custom ROMs flashed, but the vast majority are posting about Google tracking them on a google phone - or (even more annoyingly) posting about it from a phone that doesn’t even support the app, and so doesn’t remotely affect them
You raise a valid point, but your original answer, to me, seems to normalize tracking to some extend: “since lawnmowing company dont care about your data, hence ads that tracks you is nit a big deal”, which is not the case.
I think a better argument is that “since you are already on android, so google will have all your data anyway”.
That being said, one final bit of nits, even if you are on a google phone, google probably dont watch your every move. With every new place to interact with ads, there is more chance people will be tracked. Finally, I think the more one relying on google service the harder is to move them on a degoogled platform. So adding google ads to an app is definitely not harmless. But like you said, these probably dont matter to 95% of people.
You raise a valid point, but your original answer, to me, seems to normalize tracking to some extend: “since lawnmowing company dont care about your data, hence ads that tracks you is nit a big deal”, which is not the case.
I think you’re getting me mixed up with someone else - I’m just a rando who jumped in
I think a better argument is that “since you are already on android, so google will have all your data anyway”.
That was in fact exactly what i was arguing
google probably dont watch your every move
They do in fact watch your every move - Ok i was taking that one a bit literally, but honestly they really already do know everything they need to know. And let’s not forget that everything on your Lemmy is public - Do you really think that Google, Meta, and the rest of the usual suspects don’t have data crawlers on the fediverse hoovering up data and linking it to their existing shadow profiles?
I 100% agree that it would be best for Sync to have absolutely no tracking, but I’m just a bit baffled at everyone acting like this is some nefarious thing that Sync is doing that is in anyway novel. Do y’all really have 0 apps installed with google ads? Do y’all really all have custom ROMs flashed on your phone? None of you are reading this comment from Google Chrome, Edge, or Safari?
My point isn’t that ad tracking is good, it’s that saying that Sync is garbage because it has ads (and so, by necessity also has ad tracking) is almost certainly hypocritical in the case of every person whose saying it. “Let he without spyware on his phone cast the first stone” or something like that lol
The ads are what supports the developer. $20 to remove them is just a better bulk upfront deal than waiting for fractions of pennies to come together over time. The $100 version is a straight up grift though. I cannot overstate this, the ads are what supports the dev. There is nobody here not getting paid for their work.
I might be wrong, but the $99 one is for people who want to be a moderator of instances. I just want to doomscroll while taking a shit. So I kicked him $20. I think I paid the same amount for the reddit version, so 🤷
There are companies that aggregate all the data from Google and other services to match your anonymous data to your actual person so they can match your address name and all personal information to what you do online
@ZippyZiggurat @drekly, it’s called create incommings by surveillance advertising, I call it Spyware as is.
They sell your data to third parties, which apart of a violation of your privacy rights, is a big security risk, nobody can control how your data is traty and protected, several cases of dataleaks with even bank and medical data prove this. There are other methodes to create incommings which don’t invade privacy.Not this way
(Test made with Blacklight https://themarkup.org/blacklight )
This is a great post - I agree with your take.
Where/when exactly do the ads pop up? I’ve been using for a few days now and I haven’t paid anything yet I see no ads. Is it a Beta thing?
A Sync user loves Lemmy enough to pay for it and isn’t wrapped up in drama spun by FOSS advocates. Be proud.
That being said, I love FOSS.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_and_open-source_software?wprov=sfla1
Had to look it up
Yeah nah fuck that Sync hate, I don’t use it personally but if someone wants to use it, all the best to them and have a jolly ride in the lemmy part of the fediverse
“I don’t use it myself” LIAR, BURN THE HERETIC
/s
I like sync because I don’t have to interact with or smell the poors. Good job sync team 👍
Perfect response. I not usually one who is made fun of for being bougie, but why not pay for an app that I’ve used for nearly a decade and can easily afford?
If affording a cheap app is rich in your eyes…I have bad news for you.
But… This analogy doesn’t work at all. Sync isn’t a community, it’s a client. So you’re interacting with the same people.
F that noise. I’m here and active because Sync came out, and I’ve become used to its interface over the years. I’ll eventually try the other FLOSS apps but I’m here learning and enjoying first.
Yeah, op, don’t feel shamed about using sync, it’s a great app that’s worth using. I use it. Lots of us use it. The hate is a knee-jerk reflex to the sudden influx of excited reddit sync users who have migrated to lemmy and talked a lot about sync. I think FOSS users were expecting a FOSS-type option and were shocked when that wasn’t the case. Then you also had users who were just mad that it would cost more to be used here than it was on reddit.
No one hates you for using sync.
Welcome buddy. Welcome all sync users. The greatest part of the decentriverse is it’s not yours or mine, it’s no one’s. Do as you please.
I found out about Lemmy BECAUSE of Sync. I’m a huge FOSS supporter but that doesn’t mean I’ll trash anything that isn’t open source.
Much more importantly, I’d really like to see Lemmy succeed against data mining trash like Reddit. Let’s not dissuade potential converts coming over from Reddit with this gatekeeping nonsense. These manipulative parasitic social media companies are the real enemy here. Sync is one guy making one app with a one time purchase. Everyone is still welcome to use open source apps, the website or any other means of accessing the community. Sync is not your enemy.
How I feel using, and liking, Jerboa
Jerboa is a cute lil app
Couldn’t login on jerboa did they fix it? I’ve been using connect.
Back when the other site first shut down there was an update to jerboa that made any instance under v18 unusable. Which was most of them for about a week.
Ive been logging in just fine. I can also post threads, unlike with Synch which can’t.
I’m on Jerboa too, what’s the problem with it? I like the rat
IDK what people are complaining about, the UI is good.
I wanted RIF to support Lemmy
is it confirmed it won’t? sync ks okay, but RiF was simply better
RIF creator said he was developing for tildes, not lemmy.
I wouldn’t say they’ll never move to lemmy but that appears to be the case for the time being.
wtf is tildes
Another reddit alternative which I believe is focused on longer text posts and deeper discussions
I would be super stoked if the creator of RiF created something for Lemmy. But to Sync’s credit, I’ve been able to mess around a little with the settings and make my feed look like RiF in dark mode.
I won’t hold my breath for RiF making a comeback (LiF??). However if it does, I’m all in. It was a really sad day when I had to say goodbye to it.
I haven’t messed with the settings yet, but the defaults are pretty much how I left sync before I uninstalled the Reddit client, but it used to be able to look basically however you wanted it, and if it can’t yet give it time. He’s a good dev.
While the cost and ads are enough to keep me using the free options, everyone should just use whatever they want.
More Lemmy users = more content on Lemmy.
Same boat, I like FOSS, using linux for 20+ years yada yada android custom ROM hack stuff what not, but 10 years ago I tested all the reddit app, Sync was far superior so I bought it for like 3$. Now Sync for Lemmy is an impressive experience compared to Jerboa or Connect for instance, so I forked the 20$ for the noads version. Dev looks like a great guy, I have no problem with this.
For how much time I spent using Apollo, I really got a massive bargain for just $5.00. I’m not surprised that people would pay $20 if the app is good and they use Lemmy often.
Huh. I call Lemmy users “Lemmers”. Is “Lemmies” the agreed term?
I think «lemmings» is more common.
It’s weird how upset people are getting over memes about sync. It’s a shame because the memes are pretty funny.
None of the FOSS advocates actually care that you use Sync unless they’re going to your house and uninstalling it when your not looking.
And there’s a lot of misconceptions about free software. Free Software is opposed to proprietary software, not paid software. All projects, whether free or proprietary require compensation of some kind, or else they wouldn’t exist.
There is a legitimate debate around if proprietary software is ethical. The whole existence of the free software movement is because the proponents of it saw proprietary software as unethical.
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I set up sync to look as much like Alexandrite as I could, its a nice bit of consistency when I switch to desktop from mobile and vice versa.
Not enough people know about alexandrite. It’s definitely my favorite web interface.
I personally like MLMYM more, but you do you.
I haven’t tried many, maybe one other than Alexandrite and “stock” but I like that it uses more of my screen than just the middle.
