Are they for you? Why or why not?
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It’s all I use. I feel like there’s less risk and they’re way more organized.
The organization and typical submission requirements are what really put them over public trackers for me.
Public tracker: It’s this big and this many files. Figure it out.*
Private tracker: All the metadata* Experience may vary. Post is overly dramatic for comedic effect
If you are forced to disable your vpn there is more risk. I’m not sure if some permit a vpn but I wouldn’t be trusting any of them without one.
I use a VPN and it’s on a kill switch, so if it gets disconnected for whatever reason, the machine can’t reach the internet at all.
I can’t imagine why a private tracker would disallow you from using a VPN
MAM used to be quite anti-VPN but I haven’t used it in years, so no idea what their take is now. They tracked quotas and stuff through your IP and required you to be online on IRC. Great content and community, but a lot of hoops to jump through.
There used to be issues with tracking ratios when using a VPN. And since many private trackers require users to maintain a specific ratio, it meant that many private trackers effectively banned VPNs. Because if you were using a VPN, you’d be stuck at a 0.00 ratio and quickly get banned.
I use a VPN and maintain a ratio. They must use something other than IP address as a unique identifier.
Usually they want only your IP while signing up to be able to see if they had already banned you and you try to evade it.
Most times there was the rule that once signed up, you can turn it back on for both torrenting and browsing.Even with VPN, ultimately you’re still storing everything at your house. Seedbox, preferably in the Netherlands is the way to go.
I’ve been in about half a dozen so far and none have cared about VPN usage.
Same. Plus the quality encodes are a lot easier to find and more abundant (assuming you care about such things of course)
I tried signing up for a few but they want me to disable my VPN … nope.
Those ones aren’t worth having.
I think I’m on a tracker with that rule too but I just ignore it. Not like they can tell.
Unless you’re on a self-hosted VPN (defeating the whole purpose), it’s not especially hard to identify VPN connections. All of the common ones are known, and many use IP ranges and reverse lookups that clearly identify the VPN/seedbox provider.
It’s a bit harder when you are connected to one that resolves to a residential-looking hostname. But again, unless it’s truly unique (defeating the purpose), simply sorting users by IP will reveal almost all of them.
Some trackers used to do this to weed out people with multiple accounts. Some of the big ones still actively detect and block (or punish) anyone connecting to their website with a VPN (torrent traffic is still generally allowed, though)
I haven’t gotten banned yet, at least. Even if I did, it wouldn’t be a big loss. I’m definitely not gonna torrent without a vpn anyway.
So far there’s never been a thing I couldn’t find on a public tracker, so there was never a need to look into it.
I feel this way too, and the only people I’ve ever seen talk about private trackers have always had a weird chip on their shoulder. It has very “secret club” vibes. I know the stuff on public trackers only comes out because of scene leaks, but the scene wouldn’t vanish if there weren’t any more private trackers. Bittorrent was made for widespread public sharing without risk of censorship or takedowns, you don’t need to keep it hushed, it’s already protected against that. So private trackers have always just seemed like social clubs to me (I mean that in a bad way)
Yep, that and the fact that private trackers have buy-in or subscription fees and mandatory upload ratios.
I value the anonymity of a public tracker that doesn’t tie me down with any means of fund transfer or prolonged upload through which I could be exposed if my VPN dropped or the payment channel got compromised, crypto or not.
The ones that cost money aren’t worth using.
I would and for the most part have used private trackers for either a specific type of thing or a specific kinda obscure or not very popular title. I find that the more not well known a thing is, the more likely it’s going to be found and (re)seeded on a private tracker.
Exactly my experience. I’m in a private tracker for books and audiobooks that sometimes has content that’s not on other sites (audiobooks, in particular).
I also just joined a different private tracker that specializes in pre-organized .img files pre-loaded for emulation setups. Like, a one-file 1TB image ready to roll with everything preconfigured.
For popular TV/film, private trackers are unnecessary, unless maybe you’re very particular about 4K/8K REMUX quality or something more specific.
Childish and against the spirit of piracy. Always have been.
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Public trackers are shit because of freeloaders and Stremio. This is why we can’t have nice things.
Stremio is bad?
it doesn’t seed the torrent back, only leeches
Edit: an alternative to stremio is using sequential download in qbit. that way, you can seed too
Being open to all and then shut down by police after 6 months doesn’t help piracy either. The upside to closed trackers is that stuff can be archived for years.
Until it gets nuked by pigs stealing everything. A decentralised pirate catalogue based on Musicbrainz is something I want to see before I die. People diverted their efforts into vulnerable private trackers instead.
I guess you never heard of what.cd
I have. It was a cult.
Single point of failure also. What.CD was the best vaccine against them: those naive idealists had hosting in France…
Great as long as it’s easy to maintain ratio. And by “easy” I mean basically not having to do anything that can’t be automated. I also don’t care enough about the harder-to-get-in trackers that I would spend a lot of time sending in screenshots of profiles of other trackers I’m on or whatever. I’m not trying to get internet points for being on the very “coolest” private trackers.
The good thing is that decent private trackers have a well maintained catalog and most content usually has at least one or two seeders even months/years after the torrent was created, and these seeders often have a ton of bandwidth.
In contrast, public trackers often falsely advertise the amount of peers in the swarm (so a torrent that’s supposedly alive is often dead). I’d say I’m grabbing about 80/20 from private/public trackers, and I seed each torrent for around 30 days. Public torrents are often so starved for somewhat decent seeders that I regularly have a ratio of 20+ after the 30 days I’m seeding for. And that’s without a seedbox, just a normal Internet connection.
In the end, both are fine. When you setup your *arr tools correctly, they usually choose a decent release automatically, whether from private or public trackers.
Some of them are designed for having people buying upload credits. I’m into one where only the admins are allowed to post new torrents, and they keep everything on 5 seedboxes. It’s almost impossible to seed back, as their own seedboxes are pushing too much upload, then old torrents are removed and re-uploaded “to gather interest”, but that means you will never find new peers. And then they always send messages complaining that they’re spending 500 a month for those seedboxes “to guarantee fast downloads” and everyone should become a donator or the site will close. Assholes, those seedboxes are indeed guaranteeing fast downloads, but also are guaranteeing zero upload back
I just don’t have the time for it or well, I do, but I don’t wanna put effort into mantaining ratios and whatnot. I have stuff to do that I enjoy more than be part of a internet club.
But that’s just me.
Out of curiosity, what effort is needed to maintain ratio?
At the very least, you need to keep an eye on it. Just seeding can be insufficent because of speeds, competition and popularity of things you download.
Is it a lot of effort? Probably no but in my case any effort is too much effort. Is just not my thing. I admire the spirit but I don’t have it in me.
My experience is that just seeding what you like indefinitely is not useful. You have to be proactive and find popular torrents to seed and accrue any meaningful upload amount.
The tracker I use has a bonus point system to encourage all seeders even of unpopular releases but it’s slow.
I found that the perfect solution for my use case (music) ended up being Soulseek. I don’t have much money for seedboxes or buying extra storage so I feel like I’m priced out of private trackers.
I think it depends on why you pirate. Are you doing it because you don’t want to pay? Then services like usenet and private trackers, where there is some expectation of payment (be it monetary or bandwidth) are probably not for you.
Do you pirate because you hate DRM and want to self host a robust media library that you can curate without fear of media being removed because of an expired license or something? Then you might be more into private trackers and Usenet. I spend almost as much on hard drives and Usenet subscriptions and PT donations as a Netflix account.
Or if you want films or série in a specific languages with decent quality and not too big file size
I’m not really a fan because in a lot of cases it forces you to download stuff you might not want just to establish and maintain an acceptable ratio so eventually you can get the stuff you do want.
if I wanted something obscure and not really interested in the popular thing I’m either wasting bandwidth and/or server space starting out or searching for that thing on a public tracker.
the one private tracker I do use is extremely generous with upload credits for newbies and I was able to take advantage of that plus contribute something right away so I didn’t and still don’t have any issues but I know that’s not the case with some people.
If you’re going to Torrent you need to keep one in your pocket at a minimum.
Public or private,you should be running hiding your ass through a VPN or seed box.
Private trackers run ratios to make sure that content stays available. Well you can find most of what you want on public trackers there are always a few things here and there that are much easier to find in private.
Security-wise I don’t really think there’s much of a difference. Private trackers get infiltrated and shut down they’re just much smaller when it happens so you don’t hear about as much.
I always wonder how IPtorrents is still running. It’s a bit bigger and has a less than savory reputation, so I figure it would draw more attention.
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How do you get membership to a private tracker when they are always invite only?
Making friends on sites like this can sometimes yield invites. There are also usually communities specifically dedicated to giving out invites. And if all else fails, some trackers have open invitations (either time-limited or with some kind of interview).
A common method is to get your feet wet with an easier to get into private tracker and use the invitation threads in it to get into the ones you want.
And how do you make friends on these sites?
Switch to Arch, obv.
I use arch (btw). Please give invite
I was able to ask for an invite on a public forum, and I was able to use my demonoid (remember demonoid?) stats as proof back when they were semi private.
if you can show that you are a good and consistent uploader someone usually will sling an invite your way.
there are trackers which has interviews for invites. from there you can start using, gain ranks and get invited to other trackers.
Some sometimes open up for a time.
A lot of them have interviews in their IRC channel. That’s how I got into MAM.
Probably not a very practical answer, but I moved to a city known for being full of tech bros, then went to a bunch of general interest meetups organized mostly by tech bros, where I made friends with tech bros, and one of them randomly offered me an invite.
It’s mainly all I use. The consistent quality is super nice. Though when PTP was down for a month or two I ended up back on Usenet too.
BTN and PTP aren’t hard to maintain ratio on.
Redacted can be a bit of a pain, and I’ve had to fix my ratio there a few times. But I had a few CDs from some small local bands I’m using Usenet more for music at the moment so lidarr doesn’t tank my ratio so quick.
If anyone has invites to a decent tracker, hmu.
Just shamelessly begging, I haven’t been on a private tracker in over a decade but I should probably step up my game again with the way that streaming services are headed.
My previous experience was that I was completely incapable of maintaining a decent seed ratio on my home connection. I felt that many users were using seedboxes with really high upload speeds and hogging all the seeding. But I still felt it was quite a valuable community because, as people have already mentioned, the organization and quality of the torrents is infinitely better. So I basically used it sparingly for stuff that was hard to find. They also had a bunch of free-leech torrents that didn’t affect your ratio, which was a really nice feature. Honestly can’t remember the name of the site though.
/r/opensignups (sadly the lemmy version seems abandoned at the moment).
Monitor that daily if you can. Torrent leech in particular should be opening their doors soon for open registration (they usually do in spring, if not it won’t be long as they do so twice a year anyways). TL is a great starter and honestly many people will never need more. Very easy to maintain on with great free leech on anything over a certain size which ends up meaning all remuxes and most TV show seasons.
Thanks for the lead 👍
Same, also looking for private tracker invites, ideally where you’re rewarded for both seed ratio and time kept alive.
I just built a 24 TB NAS (expandable to 432 TB over time) with arrr services. I also tend to take existing content and add complete metadata for higher quality files (mostly FLAC audio files).
/r/opensignups (sadly the lemmy version seems abandoned at the moment).
Monitor that daily if you can. Torrent leech in particular should be opening their doors soon for open registration (they usually do in spring, if not it won’t be long as they do so twice a year anyways). TL is a great starter and honestly many people will never need more. Very easy to maintain on with great free leech on anything over a certain size which ends up meaning all remuxes and most TV show seasons.
24 TB NAS (expandable to 432 TB over time)
Damn, nice! I’ll let you know if an invite comes my way, sounds like you would get better use out of it than me
They’re extremely good for higher quality content such as 4K REMUX files. I have access to a private tracker that I use regularly. I only search public trackers if what I want isn’t available in the private one…which is rare.
To me it’s not about price or openness or anything. Piracy is a service issue. Private trackers have better service than public trackers. Better curated content, better seeders, and fewer (if any) shit quality re-encodes by people who don’t know what they’re doing.
