Can’t we just be happy that we’re not on Reddit instead of fighting over which UI we prefer!?
Maybe the real Reddit was the arguments with friends we made along the way
We’re ALL Reddit/Lemmy on this blessed day.
The fact we can even pick between multiple UIs is a blessing lol
I’m not fighting, I just want sync users to shut the fuck up and stop advertising their app at every possible minute, because those of us who aren’t using it have already decided it isn’t the one for us.
Jeroba on mobile, web app inside of firefox with adblockers on desktop.
I used Jeroba while I was waiting for sync to come out. Personally it’s really no competition, it’s great that it is being worked on but Jeroba is significantly worse in every way except for being open source. Hopefully someday it will be great!
Synk is just so polished comparatively everything else feels unfinished
I ditched Jerboa for Liftoff, and then Liftoff for Thunder because they all kept breaking.
Thunder was alright, all things considered, but the UI is lacking. Now that Sync is out, I’m back to where I started 12+ years ago.
My reply to all the naysayers:
Thanks for making Lemmy feel like home, it wouldn’t without you!
The reality is it’s a free world, regardless of what morality you put on things there are going to be things that happen that you don’t like. That’s life.
Like it or not Lemmy has had explosive growth because of apps like Sync. Because of them being killed off by Reddit. If it weren’t for the drama of Reddit doing that, I and millions of other users wouldn’t be here right now as we’d still be on Reddit.
Even people who weren’t using the 3rd party apps left Reddit because Reddit’s actions left a bad taste in their mouths.
So, morality of one guy charging for his honest work in creating the paid or ad supported app aside, you should be thanking the apps including sync for helping drive so many users to Lemmy.
If you yourself don’t want to use a paid app, then that’s okay! We’re all allowed to respond or react to things how we want, but being incredibly divisive for something that a lot of people wanted and that really is inconsequential is almost universally frowned on.
Just let people do what they want and don’t shoot them down for it. More options for browsing Lemmy = more Lemmings = more content.
Much love my dudes! We may disagree on this but we agree on many many many more things I’m sure, just because we’re on Lemmy instead of Reddit in the first place is proof of that! ✌️
Well put. Also, I hope this whole topic dies soon.
Honestly I’m using, and especially posting on, Lemmy much more often now that I have sync back.
I had been using Sync for Reddit for so many years that it became muscle memory. Now I have it back and things just feel right.
Do you have access to an unreleased build? Still no post submission support on mine just yet (commenting from Sync).
Sync is still just in beta so a bunch of features are lacking. Post submission will come with time.
Definitely. I’m just wondering because they referred to posting on Lemmy more frequently with Sync - curious if there’s another build or whether they meant commenting specifically.
You can still use sync for reddit with revanced…
People care too much about which app you use. At the end of the day, as long as you’re happy with sync it shouldn’t matter
I agree, just wish they would stop mentioning how their app is “just so great and only $20 to get no ads” in every single thread and every other post on every instance
Oh man, Sync is just so great and only $20 to get no ads you should give it a try!
Play store link: Sync for Lemmy
My comment to that is in every single thread and every other post on every other instance someone is saying how sync is ad filled and tracker heavy. So let’s just all agree to never talk about apps, ever.
But that’s more in response to people saying it cost over 100$ to remove ads and it has trackers.
The ultra life time cost 100$, it stops the ads and also comes with some extra features that isn’t needed to enjoy sync.
For 20$ the ads will stop and the trackers will be disabled.
Why would you need to pay $20 to access free content? Devs don’t pay any creator who makes you scroll Lemmy. They are useless and sell you air.
You don’t need to do anything, just keep on using the FOSS apps. It’s all good. It’s all about having choice.
The content isn’t really “free” the people running the servers need to be paid also. If nobody would donate or they don’t use any other form of getting funds, the servers wouldn’t last.
Sync just provides a way to get to content in a nice polished way, at least that’s how experience it. I could watch ads but I paid for a more better experience.
Both need to make money to eat and keep things running.
When you take a taxi to see a movie, nobody thinks that the taxi driver shouldn’t be paid.
Unless it should? And we shall bully them? They should feel unneeded there?
They put ads and ask for cash while showing other people’s free resources they put their mind to create? While no other client do so? And plenty of people\bots enable them? And call that a pointless argument on fediverse? Lmao.
Their spines should be broken asap, and everything around Lemmy should stay free or donation-based. If it is not, next you see are paywalled apps and instances. No one would benefit from a trend of purchaseable clients but these devs, while they don’t bring content, or anything to the table. Their app is useless without others’ work, and yet they charge you 20-100 bucks for being a middleman between you and it. It’s senseless.
Fuck sync devs. Fuck sync shills. Fuck them all.
Are you OK?
They losing sleep over a Lemmy app of course they are not okay.
Someone should’ve brought it. It’s weird we kinda accepted it once it happened for no reason.
No sleep lost, lmao, just some corporate time.
You know you can still get your points across without throwing some insults and vitriol, right? You’ll just unnecessarily make people mad and unwilling to listen to your arguments, and make Lemmy as a whole slightly more toxic place in doing so.
Thanks for making Lemmy feel like home, it wouldn’t without you!
The reality is it’s a free world, regardless of what morality you put on things there are going to be things that happen that you don’t like. That’s life.
Like it or not Lemmy has had explosive growth because of apps like Sync. Because of them being killed off by Reddit. If it weren’t for the drama of Reddit doing that, I and millions of other users wouldn’t be here right now as we’d still be on Reddit.
Even people who weren’t using the 3rd party apps left Reddit because Reddit’s actions left a bad taste in their mouths.
So, morality of one guy charging for his honest work in creating the paid or ad supported app aside, you should be thanking the apps including sync for helping drive so many users to Lemmy.
If you yourself don’t want to use a paid app, then that’s okay! We’re all allowed to respond or react to things how we want, but being incredibly divisive for something that a lot of people wanted and that really is inconsequential is almost universally frowned on.
Just let people do what they want and don’t shoot them down for it. More options for browsing Lemmy = more Lemmings = more content.
Much love my dude! We may disagree on this but we agree on many many many more things I’m sure, just because we’re on Lemmy instead of Reddit in the first place is proof of that! ✌️
Someone downvoted you for the first paragraph, I guess.
I don’t think Sync impacted the reach of Lemmy just yet (it rolled out how many days before?) but it would, maybe. Especially for those who used it before.
I spat acid not because I’m pissed at people who use it or devs especially, but for not seeing any critique. It seems like an important turning point for Lemmy as a community. And no one bat an eye. I acted as a counterbalance. A mad one, and picked some low-stakes fights. It was funny.
Have a nice day, dude\ss.
Personally, I don’t give a flying fuck what client any of you use as long as you are here. :)
Hear hear!
Remember folks whether you choose to use sync or another lemmy app none of us are using reddits shitty mobile app and in that way we are all winners
This to me is the most salient point. I think this initial noise will fade away once the various options are all available.
It will never completely go away because people love to be tribal but it will probably settle into puticular communities where people can talk about the different lemmy apps
One thing I didn’t like from Reddit, the elitism and gatekeeping posts from its users. OP, I’m right there with you.
$20 to support a solo dev AND remove ads from his awesome lemmy client? Sweet!
Are there any Lemmy apps that actually let you click and highlight a parent comment and then click on a next button to automatically and instantly scroll to the next apparent level comment? RiF (Reddit is fun) had that feature and I can’t believe I’m not seeing it on either connect for Lemmy or that sync app.
In sync if you long press on a comment it’ll collapse all children… admittedly it’s different than what you were describing but it’ll have a similar effect. Lmk if you want a screenshot or something.
AND remove ads
See that’s what I find obnoxious. IMO programs should not have advertising because nothing should have advertising. Advertising is capitalist conditioning. It shoves consumerism down our throats. The last thing we need now is more mindless consumption!
I suppose that if you don’t have any contempt for or opposition to advertising then there really isn’t a reason to complain. But I really wish people would take a stand against advertisement, or more generally capitalism and consumerism. Really, who would choose an application where space is wasted on selling them crap when any other option is available? I think such a choice is influenced by the idea that advertising is an inherent part of life, an idea which needs to be countered whenever it crops up. You should be free to make choices that others find irrational of course, but I still think that we need to step up and counter the logic that advertising is some neutral force.
If the developer wants to monetize the program, he could find some other way to do it, such as luxury features, premium support, or premium feature requests. However, my view is that things that occur primarily to make money should probably not occur at all, and that they only happen because capitalism has been imposed upon us. Said differently: if you don’t want to develop an app, then just don’t do it. I’m absolutely willing to compensate you for your work, and I know that we all need to make a living (under capitalism!), but if the money is forcing you to do it, then clearly you wouldn’t do it in a free environment [1].
But at the end of the day, I cannot stress enough how sick I am of being advertised to. No, I don’t want to buy your product. If I want to obtain something, I will go to your website or subscribe to your mailing list, or otherwise proactively indicate my interest. If you want to promote stuff, promote your own stuff or stuff , so ince you think your audience/customers would be interested in, because I’ve already somehow explicitly indicated that I’m interested in your affairs/wares. So I’ve made it a goal to expel advertising from all aspects of my life.
[1] Yes, this would imply that the vast majority of workers would drop out of the workforce and go do things that they enjoy. This would be a good thing. We don’t need to waste all our time doing “productive” stuff anymore.
I too dream of a world where we’ve moved on from capitalism to a socialist utopia like is in the United Federation of Planets, but we are not currently in that world. So until that time, we all have to earn a living to pay our landlords and feed ourselves.
For most things we are given a choice between ads or paying, and I almost always choose paying for no ads as I can’t stand them either. But until developers can live without bills and only do work for free because they enjoy it, our choice remains pay for no ads or be served ads. So I paid for no ads.
So I deleted the original comment because I found out that there was more to the Sync story than just advertising, and I realized that my comment wasn’t up to snuff. I didn’t mean to deceive anyone.
But until developers can live without bills and only do work for free because they enjoy it, our choice remains pay for no ads or be served ads.
That was exactly my point though: we do not have only two choices [(1) to pay for no ads and (2) to be served ads]. I listed some some alternative monetization schemes that don’t encourage consumerism. Namely, premium support for paying users, custom feature requests for users willing to pay the development cost, or luxury features that, while nice to have, aren’t necessary for the functioning of the app.
This point was probably in response to the section of the deleted comment where I argued that stuff that is done only for money probably shouldn’t happen at all. I stand by that. However, I do recognize the need for developers to eat. (I thought I said as much in the deleted comment.) For this reason, I use all sorts of software that I have paid for, and will continue to do so [2]. However, I will not pay a developer for their software if the functionality they’re selling me is “not having ads,” because ads shouldn’t exist.
I shouldn’t have to pay for my software not to kick me in the balls; similarly, I shouldn’t have have to pay for my software not to show me ads. Unlike being kicked in the balls [1], every waking moment of my life up until recently has been crammed with ads.
There are an infinite number of ways to make money that don’t require advertising, and I would be willing to pay for them in general [2]. Hell, I’ll be willing to donate for no reward [2]. I’m not against making money in an arbitrary way (at least under current conditions), but I most certainly oppose advertising as a specific way of making money.
[1] I’m not “into” that, but in case it isn’t clear, I would rather be kicked in the balls than see one more godforsaken advertisement. I cannot stress enough how much I hate advertising.
[2] …once I have a non-zero income.
You know you’re not paying for “no ads” right? You’re simply using an alternative payment method. If somebody can’t afford something you’re suggesting we exclude them? Make it paid for only? The ads serve as payment for those without the means or are just unwilling to pay and still get the same options as everyone else. For someone that hates capitalism you’re sure good at preaching it.
Whaaaat noooo. Silly. The dev should just cater to people with money or quit their source of income and be happy… Or something?
Instead of seeing it as a charge to remove ads, maybe look at it as buying the ad free app from the dev? That’s how I see it. And giving people the option to use the app for free with ads is IMO a decent trade off.
maybe look at it as buying the ad free app from the dev?
I would rather just give the dev money for literally nothing if it allows everyone else an ad-free experience. Literally the second I get a non-zero income, I’ll begin donating to FOSS projects.
And giving people the option to use the app for free with ads is IMO a decent trade off.
I mean it’s a better tradeoff than “pay vs. be excluded”, but I don’t think people fully realize the tradeoff they’re making: time is a lot more valuable than money in my view. No matter how much money you throw at the problem, you will eventually run out of time and die. Your time is precious! If that’s the tradeoff you want to make then it would be wrong of me to stop you, but I really wish that people would stop and think “do I really want to spend my finite time on this miserable planet on this?”.
I’ve spent more than enough of my time being bored by advertisements, and even as I try to remove them from my life, people close to me insist that I waste my time on ads because they want to show me something but they were too lazy to install an adblocker. Ads are constantly being blasted from my parents’ and grandmother’s TV’s, they invade our computers, they even talk about ads at the dinner table. It breaks my heart.
I know that my anti-advertisement position is a bit extreme, but I feel like I have to push back against the constant intrusions of capitalism into our personal lives, advertising being the primary front of this battle. Of course I’m willing to agree to disagree, but I still feel it necessary to debate this.
I’m gonna be really happy when school is back in session.
Shouldn’t an ethical human choose tools that do more good than harm? As long as an application does that, does it matter if it’s open source or not? The software we use in our daily lives is a personal choice and people shouldn’t be shamed for choosing a closed source application. Especially one created by an independent, craftsman software company. Sync, and other well-designed for-profit clients, benefit Lemmy, an open platform. That benefits all.
Let me add, many of us are social media refugees, fleeing exploitative and closed platforms like Reddit, Twitter, and Facebook. There is also nothing wrong with continually evaluating the closed source solutions we choose to prevent repeating past mistakes.
I don’t know about doing good or harm but I’ve used sync for reddit for years and years. The dev isn’t some big corporation and that’s generally enough for me. I’ll support them as long as their app has the experience that I prefer. I tried a few different apps until sync came out and I really gave them all a fair shot but none of them felt right. The fact that so many users bailed to Lemmy because Reddit broke third party apps and then turned around and got up people’s butts for using specific third party apps is kind of hilarious to me. A huge wave of users came here for sync etc and people are trying to push them away or bully them like reddit did? They might not be bullying for the same exact reason but it’s got the same vibe imo.
It does seem like a large number of Lemmy users are elitist snobs. I thought this place was turning out better than Reddit, but it’s looking like I was wrong. People like that ruin platforms like this and sour the experience.
FOSS and focus on privacy does that to some people, they feel superior because they worry about those things they see as being beneficial.
I’m sure many of the users from the before time were here specifically to not use a closed source, data gathering platform, so they’re a bigger proportion of users than they were on Reddit and they tolerate the most extreme elements of their community that also happen to be the most vocal.
TL;DR: Reddit is for normies and now normies are in a platform where radicals were everywhere and part of the majority before they arrived.
Sometimes those extreme privacy preachers remind me of doomsday preppers.
I too reduced my data finger print, started using uBlock, thought more often if the data in a registration form is really needed for the service they provide (and didn’t register when in doubt), and so on…
I don’t have Facebook, WhatsApp, TikTok, Instagram, Twitter (anymore), the only things I have are Reddit, Lemmy and Mastodon.
Still I don’t inspect every bit going through my network with Wireshark and PiHole to see, if some packet sent while watching a movie may contain personal data. At some point you gotta live a little instead of full-time fear mongering, doomsday preaching for the tech apocalypse.
I have reduced my digital fingerprints by a large margin with common sense, I don’t need a 100% privacy speedrun, what counts is that you do something. And the effects show, especially in the form of less spam and recommendations for items you’ll never need.
Google knows which topics I search for, big whoop, wouldn’t be much of a search engine otherwise.
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The reason why many people swapped was because Lemmy harbors smarter individuals. I need to feel superior simply because I use Lemmy, Otherwise there’s no point.
There are many entitled people here. Some of them are from linux community. Anything other than that is bad and 1000 posts related to that. Another is sync and other apps. Especially open source only good, closed source everything bad. My feed was full of that. Even though I am a sync user i feel angry when seeing so many non sense posts supporting and against that. Even some communities not related to these are posting this.
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Not wanting to use any app that goes to a google server for a lemmy app is being privacy focused. Telling other people their preference in not valuing the same thing is wrong is elitism - saying that no app should do something, and nobody else should use an app that does that thing, because you prefer it that way - that’s elitism.
Sync and the people who like it aren’t invalid just because your preference is being privacy focused.
Along the same lines, it’s totally possible to espouse the values of privacy to others without being elitist, as long as you aren’t talking down to other people or invalidating other people’s preferences, because that’s elitism.
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No, it is elitism and gatekeeping
yeah i just dont care
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The only objectively wrong option
It’s a lot better than reddit’s or Facebook’s mobile website. Facebook used to have a pretty good mobile website, but they have intentionally ruined it over several years to try to force people to the app. Reddit has done the same thing, but but has been a lot more aggressive about it lately, up to straight up blocking mobile users on the site, and telling them to use the app or fuck off. That was what finally drove me away. It was only an A/B test, but it reveals the user hostile attitude that is at the core of the rot in reddit management.
federa.net a custom dark css, and I think it looks pretty nice.
I’m not an Android user, so I don’t know Sync, but it’s bound to be a better Lemmy app than those godawful cross platform ones. I’m glad it exists!
Not a sync user but cant wait for infinity for lemmy to be mature enough to appear on fdroid
I’ve been using it over the last few days and I’m pretty impressed with it so far. Before that I was using connect, then sync but didn’t like the ads and insane prices, also tried out a few others but ultimately settled with infinity.
I’ve been using infinity for reddit ever since sync died and I find it’s quite polished and runs the smoothest out of all the apps I’ve tried, even smoother then sync for lemmy. The only bug I’ve ran into is trying to press the profile button on the navigation draw at the bottom crashes the app but it still works from the hamburger menu.
It is available on F-Droid right now. I’m using and pretend to make a donate to the dev.
