Some U.S. officials are frustrated at the pace of Ukraine’s counteroffensive, which has gained less than 100 square miles of territory.

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    “Bully punches kid and steals $50, kid only manages to get back $30, is the kid a fucking loser?” This is what the sentiment usually feels like, even if it’s not what the reporting is about, please be aware of this.

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      Let’s leave the rest of your narrative alone for second. Kid fights back and loses use of several fingers, loses several teeth, and is now deaf in one ear but has managed to get back $0.10

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        Lmao so what would you describe the massive losses Russia has taken in terms of lives, machinery, and munitions, as well as the open revolt Wagner engaged in? If Ukraine is losing fingers, teeth, and hearing, I imagine Russia has full on lost a limb and has bleeding to stabilize.

        That rebellion was probably part of Put-daddy’s plan tho, right?

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          The US is sending more aid per year than Russia’s entirely military budget and Russia hasn’t even gotten through it’s old weapon systems yet.

          But that’s also besides the point. Let’s assume you’re right and Russia has lost more than Ukraine. How does that jive with Ukraine’s inability to make meaningful progress in their offensive? They’ve reclaimed something like .2% of their lost territory, which is easily within the margins of the ebb and flow of conflict.

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            So Putin, who is openly saying that the offensive isn’t going as planned, is OK sending tens of thousands of soldiers into the grinder agaisnt better equipment, just to go through surplus? He’s choosing to have thousands of Russians killed while sitting on equipment that could keep them safe?

            What a guy. Noble cause he’s after, de-nazi-fying a sovereign nation, while also getting his citizens massacred in tank columns and shoddy equipment while he keeps the good stuff at home.

            Unless that isn’t what he’s doing? But you did just say they were using old stuff on purpose. You wouldn’t be wrong, would you?

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              I really love how y’all stopped calling it a democratic nation and started saying sovereign nation instead. Really telling.

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                Sovereign as is the highest authority in the territory. The US is a sovereign nation. European countries are sovereign. In fact, most of the countries on the planet can be described as sovereign nations…

                “Sovereign” does nothing to describe the type of governance the country has? Or do you have some wild insight about how sovereign actually means it’s an installed dictatorship?

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                    Democratic-> sovereign isn’t a backpedal; it’s describing two different things. You wouldn’t say that me describing some apples as green, and then saying there are 3 of them is somehow a reduction in the amount of green the apples are simple because I didn’t call them green again.

                    Sovereign describes the authority to do things on a territory. Ukraine is sovereign; they aren’t a territory of Russia, Ukraine answers to Ukraine on its own political matters. That does nothing to describe or rule-out democracy.

                    If I say “Ukraine is a democracy, who in 2019 held an election described as fair and free by international observers, in which the citizens elected a president of their own volition”, would you realize that me describing Ukraine as sovereign in no way, shape, or form, describes it’s elective process?

                    Cause if I need to, I will.

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        Ah yes so its the kids fault, proper authoritarian mindset (let’s leave the rest of your narrative alone, fuck you I’m right cause I have more power) technically true but I thought you guys were “anti imperialist”

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          Lol. I don’t need to deal with your nonsensical vomit. If you can’t even formulate coherent thoughts after looking at real numbers and flying into a foaming rage I don’t think I could deprogram your propagandized brain.