(not sure if this is the right community, sorry)
Hi, someone posted this on another server. I’d like to request we defederate with rammy.site and exploding-heads.com as well. I scrolled through some of their posts and comments and it’s full of ridiculous anti-left propaganda, for example a post where some liberal Florida family fleeing the state when some child protection laws got passed, implying liberals abuse children and won’t live in a state that doesn’t allow them to. Just take a look for yourself.
" Admins of Lemmy.ml please consider defederating from rammy.site it has been taken over by right wing malicious actors from exploding-heads.com and the admin is nowhere to be found.
It is imperative that you take action as soon as possible the users on rammy are using the site to spread their messages to a further audience, we must nip this in the bud. If you don’t believe me check the instance for yourself, you’ll see it dominated with bigoted right wing posts and spam communities."
Edit: So many commenters think this is about political opinions or disagreement. It’s not. If I said “Mixing bleach and ammonia is good for you” I bet some of you would call that a political disagreement.
The exploding-heads troll communities are tongue in cheek, and intended to rustle your jimmies. You’re taking the bait.
And as 4chan taught us, ironic tongue-in-cheek bigotry leads to an environment where people engage in rational conversations about equitable and inclusive society.
Wait no, it leads to a cesspool of racists encouraging each other to livestream their mass shooting of “inferior” races.
You’re taking the bait of the “free marketplace of ideas”.
Very well said. This is why I am also in favor of “defederating over political preference”.
Tolerating intolerance leads to violence but deplatforming actually does work to reduce harm.
We should defederate from hateful and abusive instances
Being intolerant to intolerance also leads to violence. More often then you think.
Would you have examples of this? Thanks!
Seems pretty free to me. For example assuming your take, it will continue to exist even if you avert your eyes.
I don’t think you understand my take, but yes, it will continue to exist if i simply avert my eyes, however their content will reach and radicalize fewer people if they are defederated, and that means fewer people in favor of suppressing and killing minorities.
Can you provide evidence that people on these instances want to kill minorities?
The bullshit part of this purity ideology is where “people” are presumed to be innocent rubes who can’t think for themselves and who will be forever tainted if they are contaminated by even a drop of Wrongthink.
I’m not interested in having my information environment manipulated by technocrats for “my own good.”
And then there’s the other not-small issue: if “their” “content” is so good at “radicalizing” “people,” maybe you should be addressing the substance of the content instead of engaging in definitionally futile campaigns to conceal its existence.
It’s only bullshit if you’re naive about human nature and ignore the entire concept of memetics.
As an example, Flat Earthers exist, and are continually indoctrinated via a whole ecosystem of blogs, videos, and online communities.
You can take some of these flat earthers, once indoctrinated, show them clear experimental evidence to the contrary, and fail at convincing them the earth is round. With enough googling you can find videos of this on youtube, it’s quite amazing to watch the denial in action in the face of clear evidence.
As the saying goes, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. I’d rather just delete the flat earth videos than spend 20k and a weekend to launch a gopro into space to convince someone the earth is round, and still fail at convincing them because the gopro uses microchips from the globe-heads that manipulate the real flat-earth imagery into being round.
The futility is in trying to get the cat back in the bag.
This is something that has been proven beyond impractical. Hate and disinformation campaigns have been practicing a digital gish-gallop for years, which is only increasing in pace with the wide availability of LLMs and other generative AI. The bar that you propose is rather absurd and would only be remotely achievable with those acting in good faith, which hate and disinformation campaigns do not.
If you’re saying the members of exploding-heads are in favor of and encouraging killing minorities, then no, I don’t understand. And so far you’re the only one who has suggested killing minorities, so I’d argue you seem a bit extremist.
I’m a bit slow so your trolling was working on me until this statement. Go fuck yourself.
They’re also not, look closer at the discussions
Yeah, and defederating them makes it to where they can’t get the attention they want anymore.
They really aren’t already. Even the “tankies” are telling them how gay it is, that all they can think about is other people’s genitals. And the blatant troll posts rarely get above 3-5 likes and zero comments. I also notice the more sane instance members are defecting to other instances, because they want actual discussion. I’ve seen a few on here already, behaving like reasonable humans.
If there was a mass defederation, it could be argued they wouldn’t have abandoned ship for calmer water.
Then…great. If the posters who aren’t horrible are leaving then what’s the problem defederating the trolls left over?
My understanding is that if we defederated with them, they wouldn’t see our communities in their feeds. Thus, they wouldn’t know that people that just want to discuss common interests and not impotent hatred, are here at SDF, waiting for them to come be friends.
They can see it logged out, and presumably would have to already know SDF exists to get registered anyway.
Eh, I don’t think so. Browsing All, you can pretty clearly see what instance a post was made on. Consider me a missionary, because I fairly prolifically clique jump between instance posts. And what kind of psychopath would browse logged out?
Is the SDF instance not primarily SDF users? Why would random people need to join because they saw it from another instance?
There’s a lot of general purpose instances out there that aren’t full of pages of slurs, I’m pretty skeptical that people on the instance full of slurs don’t want to see those but if they don’t there’s other places they can find. Or they can find a new instance the same way any new user does, it’s weird to argue you need an unblocked account to find out where other people are talking, new users figure this out every day without leaving users here wide open to trolls who are already spewing garbage in this very thread.
I admittedly don’t understand what you’re getting at, but I feel like I’ve established my POV. So I’ll just say we probably won’t see eye to eye on this one, and wish you well.