• Tachanka [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    register new twitter account

    put palestinian flag in bio

    say some holocaust denial bullshit to make palestinians look antisemitic

    collect paycheck from CIA

    all in a day’s work

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    While I guess there will be a few Holocaust-denying shitheads even on “our side” (and fuck them, obviously), I want to believe that the high profile ones are fakes created by Zionists, to shit on the pro-Palestine position

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        When somebody’s reactionary enough to be fedposting, i still treat them like a reactionary. Fedjacketing people who are nominally on your side is dangerous, it leads to toxicity and paranoia within your community in ways that calling out reactionary takes doesn’t. Such actors want you to be suspicious of your own movement, it’s in wreckers’ interest to normalize accusations of being a fed.

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          Agreed. They should be shamed, ridiculed, and kicked out of any community they’re apart of. They should be treated as dumbasses and/or reactionaries, and if they splinter and other people in the org join them, then you’ll know who the feds/reactionaries are without having to cause paranoia

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            It’s also worth keeping in mind that chuds love co-opting leftist causes, stripping them of their material foundations and turning them into fash propaganda. Antisemitism has always been a prime example of that, with the historical nazis using it to redirect anticapitalist sentiment and sabotage class consciousness, leading the anger of the workers against Jews from all classes while campaigning on the money of steel barons and selling off expropriated Jewish banks to their party donors at bargain prices.

            It’s no surprise that at least some right wingers try to instrumentalize present-day solidarity with the Palestinian people in this way, even though most of them nowadays are zionists of the “i like ethno states, hate Muslims more than Jews and having Israel around means we can just send Jews there” kind. But some will always try to do a red-brown alliance thing, they see that an issue moves the masses and feel an opportunity to agitate and recruit.

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      Look, there is basically no organized left anywhere in the US, and barely anything in Western Europe. If people are getting radicalized against zionism, there’s fascists that are out there seeking to turn that potential into more brownshirts. It’s not hard to believe that, with no progressive movement to guide antizionist action, many confused antizionists are gonna be misled by bad actors, especially online where all the Thiel money has created vast networks and pipelines leading people into esoteric far right ideologies instead of socialism.

      That doesn’t mean Hasbara doesn’t play both sides, of course, but chances are that yeah these people do exist and we need to try harder to get antizionists to be good leftists, not reactionaries.

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    this is really messed up. comrades don’t say this shit, don’t believe this shit. the nazis were very litigious in their sick genocide and there is extensive evidence of the holocaust. fuck antisemitism, and fuck people who legitimately use anti-zionism as an excuse for it when it isnt.

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    It’s very simple. Radical ideologies spring from oppressive material conditions. When there is no scientific framework to guide the rage and revolutionary potential, you end up with shit like Zionism. You also end up with shit like Hoteps and White Nationalists and every other non-leftist stab at answering the question of “To who does the boot on my neck belong?”

    Just because Zionists are liars and terrible people doesn’t mean the holocaust didn’t happen. They’re evidence that it happened along with generations of trauma forced on Jewish people. If there wasn’t virulent antisemitism and Western Capitalism didn’t conspire to make its own state, then Zionists would be about as powerful as Hoteps. They have state power precisely because the capital owning class gave it to them out of their own desire to isolate Jewish people from the rest of the world.

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    https://jorymicah.wordpress.com/

    Hello there. I am Jory Micah. Thanks for taking some time to come hang out with me online. This blog is dedicated to my top passions: life with God, Christian response to current events, marriage, empowering women, egalitarian theology and social justice.

    I used to think I was a “progressive Christian” until I started hanging out with real progressives. I then realized that I am more of a conservative Christian with a progressive edge. This basically means that I get yelled at by both conservatives and progressives online.

    I love the Bible and I actually believe it is true. Yes, even the stories that make no logical sense. I love all the messy people that I can relate to so easily, the simplicity of Garden, the overarching theme of redemption, and the person and deity of Jesus Christ.

    Wonder where she gets her holocaust denialism from thonk

    Zionists abuse the memory of the Holocaust to excuse away all the fascism stuff they do. The Holocaust happened. It is one of the most documented genocides in history.

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        yeah if you scroll their tweets it reads less like a sincere idiot who’s picked up some odious ideas and more like a nazi riding the line, and doing it badly. like no non-fash is posting shit like this or this. they’re the fabled person who says they’re not talking about jews when they’re actually talking about jews. except if you look at their posts it’s also obvious that they don’t genuinely give a shit about palestinians either, and demanding that antizionists disavow this garbage is bad faith bullshit.

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    silly that there’s been so much focus on this tweet. practically every account I follow has been quote tweeting it the past few days ‘dunking’ on it - all it does is play into the narrative that all anti-israel protests are anti-semitic. some random moron on twitter engaged in holocaust denial, who cares, that’s not exactly a rare sight. this isn’t a serious problem, no one on this website needs to be told “don’t do this”.

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      That’s the classic tactic. Find the absolute worst fringe takes and amplify them to paint an entire group with the same brush. It works pretty well since people are happy to believe the worst about their opposition.

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        They did this with feminism to get the mra and redpill community off the ground. Quite successfully damaged it to this day. People really bought into that whole psycho feminist sjw shit at the time.

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        Even better. Make the cringe take yourself under an assumed name and then dunk on it.

        Consent manufactured.

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    Either this is some bad faith actor in which case he is a disgusting fascist or he is being sincere in which case he is a disgusting moron well on his way to becoming a fascist.

    Either way, he doesn’t speak for the anti-genocide movement. Neither in Palestine or abroad. Those supporting Palestinian liberation are nearly unanimously supporting a free Palestine in which Jews and Muslims can live together as equals. They are shocked and revolted by the zionist genocide in Palestine for exactly the same reason they are shocked and revolted by the Holocaust.

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    Assuming that this is a sincere post by a real person (which it might very well not be), this is further evidence that zionism is a hugely powerful driver of antisemitism… Israel is essentially working as hard as it can to associate the Star of David to one of the cruelest, most shocking atrocities of the 21st century: there’s a flag flying over a pile of rubble that once used to be a school, and there’s a symbol on that flag.

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      The zionist project benefits from increases in antisemitism around the world, because they’ve positioned themselves as the final lifeboat for Jewish people.

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        They actively fund antisemitism through campaign/NGO donations towards fascist politicians and businessmen. And in the case of Ukraine, straight up Nazi militias. It shouldn’t be a surprise that the GOP have people screaming about Jewish space lasers while also calling Israel America’s greatest ally, or that the ADL praising Elon for visiting Israel after saying Jews control the world.

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      I read a report about antisemitic incidents put out by my country’s Jewish community. Of the incidents described one was old-school Nazi shit, one or two were traditional western antisemitism and everything else was people misdirecting justified anger over the occupation of Palestine towards Jewish individuals and towards Jewish religious institutions.

      The best thing that could happen for Jews would be Palestinian liberation. It would remove the material base for 90% of antisemitism and make them much safer.

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      Not only that, but the Israeli govt lies regularly about massacres and casualties to fit it’s narrative. If one doesn’t disassociate Israel from Jews (which the Israeli govt certainly doesn’t) then the conclusion one might draw about Jews is not flattering.

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    This is why every lib in this site should be actively organizing to control the narrative. If someone doesn’t get their “free Palestine” from a commie, they’ll get it from a nazi.

    Find a communist org that is already doing this job and get to organizing, or get some like-minded friends and start it yourselves. The resources you need are all over this site

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      It’s also extremely important to support anti-zionist jewish organizers. They’re the ones that are supposed to occupy the vacuum left by zionazis