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    8 months ago

    Also the “Jews’” in the title implies “the money of any Jewish person” essentially, when it was just a single specific organisation.

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        8 months ago

        @brainrein

        The headline is outright garbage given the article’s content.

        Germany A German bank Is Seizing freezing Jews Jewish organization’s Money bank account over alleged pro-Palestine stance

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        Yes, ir does.

        Do you understand the difference between “Jewish” and “Jews’”?

        One means Jewish, eg, happening to be Jewish. The other means “that of the Jews”, ie collectively belonging to thr group, not just being the property of someone’s from the group.

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          8 months ago

          “I take Jews’ money.” means I take money from people who are Jewish.

          As even your example shows, if I want to say that I take it from all the Jews, the wording should be the(!) Jews

          But what pisses me off is: I am convinced that we’re having this stupid conversation just because you, like German media and authorities, are okay with shutting up pro-Palestinian voices, even or especially when they are Jewish.

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            8 months ago

            That’s not how language works, but I understand that you’re desperate to defend your indoctrination.

            https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/38759/whats-the-general-rule-for-dropping-articles-in-article-section-titles-or-in

            The title implies exactly what I’ve said it does. To refuse that is to try to share gaslight the goy, as you’d call us.

            I’m anti-genocide, which means I’m pro-palestine, because Israel is committing a genocide, killing thousands and thousands of innocents. Why would you pretend that IDF propaganda isn’t as big of a thing as it is when you’re supposedly “pro-Palestinian”?

            This is sensationalist headlining which clearly implies that “just like in WWII when the Nazis stole the money of ALL the Jewish people, IT’S HAPPENING AGAIN, THEY’RE TAKING THE MONEY”. Anyone who pretends it doesn’t is either illiterate, delusional and/or severely brainwashed.

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              8 months ago

              Wow, you could be the most ignorant moron I’ve ever met on the Internet. And the competition is tough.

              I mean, there are a lot of people who just read the headline and then talk nonsense. But you’re pushing the system very far.

              I’ll try again:

              If the headline said “Germany seizes the money of the Jews”, with an article, that would mean that all Jews’ money is seized.

              But if it says “Germany seizes Jew’s money” (or “Germany seizes Jewish money”), then nothing is said about the number of Jews whose money was seized. It could be two or all of them.

              You claim that in the second case all Jews’ is meant because you found an article that says that articles are often(!) omitted in headlines. Exactly, often is not always! That’s why you don’t know at first glance whether the article was omitted here or whether it doesn’t belong there at all. Since Germany has not seized the money of all Jews (because we would have heard of that!), it can only be that the money of some Jews was frozen; so the article is missing grammatically correct.

              But really surprising is that you claim to be pro-Palestinian. I am happy about that, at least we have something in common. I just feel a little sorry for the Palestinians that they have to endure someone like you in their ranks of advocates. You can’t choose, can you?

              You don’t seem to have the slightest idea about the association “Jewish Voice (for a just peace in the Middle East)” nor about Germany.

              The point that the Jewish Voice makes in its report is this: They accuse Germany of exhausting its anti-Antisemitism by parroting racist Israeli propaganda and suppressing pro-Palestinian statements, to the point of the absurdity that even Jews are declared anti-Semitic if they are pro-Palestinian.

              The Jewish Voice’s account was most likely frozen because they used it collecting donations to fund the pro-Palestinian Palestine Conference in Berlin, Germany (in case that’s not clear yet), which is intended to provide the Palestinian voices with a larger space in the German discourse.

              This is how the basic rights of Palestinians and their allies are being undermined by Germany.

              You must be proud of making anti-Semitic attacks on allies of the Palestinians.

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                anti-Semitic attacks on allies of the Palestinians.

                As soon as someone even implies a criticism, the “ANTI-SEMITE” screams come out. It’s quite frankly pathetic.

                You’re pretending you don’t understand what the headline refers to. What do you think the “again” is referring to, hmm? How is it that they can literally refer to Germany seizing the money of any and all Jewish people, without you thinking they’re even remotely making an association to it?

                The propaganda is insanely strong, and you getting that mad and spending literally days stewing over this is a pretty clear indicator of being irrationally upset probably because you’re annoyed that I’m right, but you just can not accept that. You’re trying to convince yourself more than me.

                There’s been nothing political in this conversation so far, it’s simply what the headline objectively refers to, but you can’t help your hypocrisy and must stress how pro-Palestine you are — while literally spreading IDF propaganda by pretending IDF propaganda doesn’t exist, and using distancing language without realising it.

                that even Jews are declared anti-Semitic if they are pro-Palestinian.

                Iiiroooonyyyy