We’re well past production alienation and into complete and total societal and communal alienation as a result of “there is no society” ideology and total atomisation.
Much about even those relationships is mediated by the market, though. If you want to spend time with people as adults, you have to pay rent in a bar or coffee shop or festival, etc. Even if you can do it for ‘free’ at someone’s house, it tends to imply getting some food and drinks in, soft or alcoholic, even if you prepare things together rather than ordering. And it only takes one person in the group to be obsessed by some asinine bourgeois shit for every engagement to revolve around spending money and keeping up appearances. I even know married couples who tit-for-tat about paying for things. If you’ve not seen or experienced this, I’m jealous.
Even if you can do it for ‘free’ at someone’s house, it tends to imply getting some food and drinks in, soft or alcoholic, even if you prepare things together rather than ordering
It’s also only socially acceptable to invite somebody to “hang out at your house” if you’re both already close friends. Otherwise, you have to go to a bar, go to some event, get food together, etc.
That’s right. And it relies on having space. Not really possible in shared accommodation even if you’re close. That depends a little on the friend and who you’re loving with, I suppose.
It’s also only socially acceptable to invite somebody to “hang out at your house” if you’re both already close friends. Otherwise, you have to go to a bar, go to some event, get food together, etc.
Because every aspect of our society has had capital infiltrate it.
There is almost no interaction you will have with other people that will not involve paying a rent to someone, whether it is for the space you seek to have that interaction in or whether you are required to pay a consumption fee for social interaction (food/drinks/movies/whatever). These rents have driven people apart, driven people to complete alienation from interaction with one another. It has created inceldom among the young and guttural loneliness among the old.
Most people in much of the west now do not know their neighbours and there are no communities. If 80 year old Mary two doors down drops dead she won’t be found for 2 or 3 weeks.
Every home has become the equivalent of an office cubicle, and people stay in their cubicles because there is literally no interaction they can have after exiting that does not involve some sort of rent. They stay in their cubicles and become atomised because there is expectation of rent literally everywhere outside of it.
If I wanted to describe what Marx’s “alienation” was to someone I would show them this post.
This fits a general definition of alienation, but Marx was focused on alienation generated from capitalist production
We’re well past production alienation and into complete and total societal and communal alienation as a result of “there is no society” ideology and total atomisation.
What does total societal alienation mean? People still have families, friends, communities, and relationships that are not mediated by the market
Much about even those relationships is mediated by the market, though. If you want to spend time with people as adults, you have to pay rent in a bar or coffee shop or festival, etc. Even if you can do it for ‘free’ at someone’s house, it tends to imply getting some food and drinks in, soft or alcoholic, even if you prepare things together rather than ordering. And it only takes one person in the group to be obsessed by some asinine bourgeois shit for every engagement to revolve around spending money and keeping up appearances. I even know married couples who tit-for-tat about paying for things. If you’ve not seen or experienced this, I’m jealous.
It’s also only socially acceptable to invite somebody to “hang out at your house” if you’re both already close friends. Otherwise, you have to go to a bar, go to some event, get food together, etc.
That’s right. And it relies on having space. Not really possible in shared accommodation even if you’re close. That depends a little on the friend and who you’re loving with, I suppose.
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Because every aspect of our society has had capital infiltrate it.
There is almost no interaction you will have with other people that will not involve paying a rent to someone, whether it is for the space you seek to have that interaction in or whether you are required to pay a consumption fee for social interaction (food/drinks/movies/whatever). These rents have driven people apart, driven people to complete alienation from interaction with one another. It has created inceldom among the young and guttural loneliness among the old.
Most people in much of the west now do not know their neighbours and there are no communities. If 80 year old Mary two doors down drops dead she won’t be found for 2 or 3 weeks.
Every home has become the equivalent of an office cubicle, and people stay in their cubicles because there is literally no interaction they can have after exiting that does not involve some sort of rent. They stay in their cubicles and become atomised because there is expectation of rent literally everywhere outside of it.