They are not mutually exclusive. You can advocate for reform to the voting system, which is a massive undertaking which will take quite a long time and a lot of effort and may or may not succeed, while still showing up one day and taking one action which (aggregated together with millions of other people doing the same) may save us from impending fascism.
If you think that not voting will “incentivize” the institution of ranked choice voting you are living in a pure fantasy world. In this specific election though it will incentivize the creation of a fascist dictatorship. If you thought FPTP voting was bad wait until “the state legislature overrules everyone’s votes” past the post.
They are not mutually exclusive. You can advocate for reform to the voting system, which is a massive undertaking which will take quite a long time and a lot of effort and may or may not succeed, while still showing up one day and taking one action which (aggregated together with millions of other people doing the same) may save us from impending fascism.
i get it, but like, unless we do both of them simultaneously, we’re just going to end up subjecting ourselves to what is currently happening, but in increasingly more polarized increments. We need to start a bipartisan voting reform, and we need to vote. Voting right now will fix short term fascism. But only for the period of about 4 years, then we have no immediate guarantee anymore.
4 years is a very short period of time.
If you think that not voting will “incentivize” the institution of ranked choice voting you are living in a pure fantasy world. In this specific election though it will incentivize the creation of a fascist dictatorship. If you thought FPTP voting was bad wait until “the state legislature overrules everyone’s votes” past the post.
That’s not what i said. You are literally pulling this out of your ass. I literally said, we need to make this a ballot problem, we need to give the people that we are collectively putting in power, a reason to care about this shit. It’s happened with abortion, it can happen again with voting. If we demand a candidate who supports voting reform, we will get a candidate who supports voting reform.
This kind of reactionary rhetoric (oh the irony) is the problem that i currently have with democrats. We’re content to prevent fascism from immediately happening, but then apparently not in improving the situation any further, apart from “man they should really prevent this trump guy from running again, would be a shame if fascism were to happen”
We need to start a bipartisan voting reform, and we need to vote. Voting right now will fix short term fascism. But only for the period of about 4 years, then we have no immediate guarantee anymore.
Yeah, 100% agreed. How do I advocate for voting reform? The big thing I’m coming to talking about all this stuff is, I should be doing something besides just bullshitting about it on the internet.
That’s not what i said.
Sounds like I misinterpreted “WE have to make this a ballot problem, WE need to incentivize these fucks to care.” – all good. It kinda sounds to me like we’re saying the same thing (and I would add reforming a bunch of things besides the voting system, too). How can I help to make that happen?
Yeah, 100% agreed. How do I advocate for voting reform? The big thing I’m coming to talking about all this stuff is, I should be doing something besides just bullshitting about it on the internet.
ultimately, even just talking about it like i did is going to do something productive. Talk about it to friends and family, bring it up to local politicians. If you have any new candidates running, or incumbents struggling, perhaps give em a call as well. Realistically as long as you can convince people that the current system doesn’t work, and that something better is needed, regardless of how partisan. People are tired of the same shit, give them something new and they’ll vote for it, that’s literally how trump won (i mean he also spent shit tons of money on it as well but whatever)
Unfortunately, i’m not super involved myself, aside from mostly yelling at people on the internet, (ironic i know) realistically, i think with something as simple as this, if enough people have a problem with it, it’s just going to change. It’s such a simple issue, and such a big problem. Ironically, the current voting system is part of the problem, we as constituents, don’t have a whole lot of say over what goes on government side, we should probably have a hell of a lot more influence. I.E. stop electing people with values aligned to you, and start pushing issues onto the voting public, actually give them a reason to vote.
Sounds like I misinterpreted “WE have to make this a ballot problem, WE need to incentivize these fucks to care.” – all good. It kinda sounds to me like we’re saying the same thing (and I would add reforming a bunch of things besides the voting system, too). How can I help to make that happen?
pretty much yeah, i’m mostly focused on the more impactful things first and foremost, realistically if we can push new voting legislature through, we can push more productive laws and legislation through afterwards. Though i wouldn’t be complaining about doing more at once i suppose, scope can make or break things like this unfortunately. I think at the end of the day, stuff like this is more about making an individual feel like they have an impact, or feeling like they’re involved more than anything. It’s why the government keeps trying to take that shit away. It makes us defeated and unmotivated.
Hell, a fun fact about this kind of a thing. A kid wrote a paper in college about the 27th amendment, and the fact that it could technically still get ratified. Got a shit grade on it, and then decided that it would be funny to get it ratified, and so he did. It was ratified after sitting dormant for 200 years. If that kid can get that amendment ratified, there is a pretty damn good chance we can get better voting systems for ourselves. Or we could pull a vermin supreme, put a boot on our head and start shitposting. That’s another option.
They are not mutually exclusive. You can advocate for reform to the voting system, which is a massive undertaking which will take quite a long time and a lot of effort and may or may not succeed, while still showing up one day and taking one action which (aggregated together with millions of other people doing the same) may save us from impending fascism.
If you think that not voting will “incentivize” the institution of ranked choice voting you are living in a pure fantasy world. In this specific election though it will incentivize the creation of a fascist dictatorship. If you thought FPTP voting was bad wait until “the state legislature overrules everyone’s votes” past the post.
i get it, but like, unless we do both of them simultaneously, we’re just going to end up subjecting ourselves to what is currently happening, but in increasingly more polarized increments. We need to start a bipartisan voting reform, and we need to vote. Voting right now will fix short term fascism. But only for the period of about 4 years, then we have no immediate guarantee anymore.
4 years is a very short period of time.
That’s not what i said. You are literally pulling this out of your ass. I literally said, we need to make this a ballot problem, we need to give the people that we are collectively putting in power, a reason to care about this shit. It’s happened with abortion, it can happen again with voting. If we demand a candidate who supports voting reform, we will get a candidate who supports voting reform.
This kind of reactionary rhetoric (oh the irony) is the problem that i currently have with democrats. We’re content to prevent fascism from immediately happening, but then apparently not in improving the situation any further, apart from “man they should really prevent this trump guy from running again, would be a shame if fascism were to happen”
Yeah, 100% agreed. How do I advocate for voting reform? The big thing I’m coming to talking about all this stuff is, I should be doing something besides just bullshitting about it on the internet.
Sounds like I misinterpreted “WE have to make this a ballot problem, WE need to incentivize these fucks to care.” – all good. It kinda sounds to me like we’re saying the same thing (and I would add reforming a bunch of things besides the voting system, too). How can I help to make that happen?
ultimately, even just talking about it like i did is going to do something productive. Talk about it to friends and family, bring it up to local politicians. If you have any new candidates running, or incumbents struggling, perhaps give em a call as well. Realistically as long as you can convince people that the current system doesn’t work, and that something better is needed, regardless of how partisan. People are tired of the same shit, give them something new and they’ll vote for it, that’s literally how trump won (i mean he also spent shit tons of money on it as well but whatever)
Unfortunately, i’m not super involved myself, aside from mostly yelling at people on the internet, (ironic i know) realistically, i think with something as simple as this, if enough people have a problem with it, it’s just going to change. It’s such a simple issue, and such a big problem. Ironically, the current voting system is part of the problem, we as constituents, don’t have a whole lot of say over what goes on government side, we should probably have a hell of a lot more influence. I.E. stop electing people with values aligned to you, and start pushing issues onto the voting public, actually give them a reason to vote.
pretty much yeah, i’m mostly focused on the more impactful things first and foremost, realistically if we can push new voting legislature through, we can push more productive laws and legislation through afterwards. Though i wouldn’t be complaining about doing more at once i suppose, scope can make or break things like this unfortunately. I think at the end of the day, stuff like this is more about making an individual feel like they have an impact, or feeling like they’re involved more than anything. It’s why the government keeps trying to take that shit away. It makes us defeated and unmotivated.
Hell, a fun fact about this kind of a thing. A kid wrote a paper in college about the 27th amendment, and the fact that it could technically still get ratified. Got a shit grade on it, and then decided that it would be funny to get it ratified, and so he did. It was ratified after sitting dormant for 200 years. If that kid can get that amendment ratified, there is a pretty damn good chance we can get better voting systems for ourselves. Or we could pull a vermin supreme, put a boot on our head and start shitposting. That’s another option.