I know that powerful governments operate various illegal places in other countries to serve their needs. China even admitted operating some illegal “police stations” in my country after they shut those down themselfs, and I have no doubts taht the USA does similar things. However, I haven’t found any sources about this place being operated by US government. Maybe I’m bad at research, but no one from those claiming it was that provided any source either. The person in the second screenshot even says that they’re just guessing. When I see my government, or US government, or the EU, do some bullshit, I don’t immediately start thinking about how it was actually a move to defend from Chinese or Russian forces.
It’s was the same in the thread I mentioned about China blocking access to lemmy.ml: there were definitely even some hexbear users criticizing China’s censorship, but there were also multiple tankies writing essays about how the censoring is actually necessary because of capitalist propaganda (is lemmy.ml an US propaganda website?) and just doing all sorts of mental gymnastics to justify it. I know I’m using the words “mental gymnastics” too much now, but I just can’t see any better naming for some of the comments out there. So, it’s not just about this particular LGBT center, it’s about this mentality of trying to come up with any reason of why the (usually Chinese) government is actually doing good thing. Isn’t that the ultimate win of propaganda, when people no longer need government to falsely justify it’s actions, because they do the justification themselves?
China even admitted operating some illegal “police stations” in my country after they shut those down themselfs
Lol
When I see my government, or US government, or the EU, do some bullshit, I don’t immediately start thinking about how it was actually a move to defend from Chinese or Russian forces.
Honestly I don’t believe you, I see it all the time, liberals constantly defending US imperialism in the name of stopping RuZZians or the evil Chinese commies.
So, it’s not just about this particular LGBT center, it’s about this mentality of trying to come up with any reason of why the (usually Chinese) government is actually doing good thing.
Oh I’m sorry, is finding a reason for a given action now explicit 100% support of said government’s actions? Most of the time, yes, China is correct in blocking US interference, because they’re one of the remaining socialist nations who, after being opened up with American help, is now being backstabbed and made out to be the enemy by the US political class. The reason why we “defend” these nations and many decisions they make is explicitly because (a) they’re one of the remaining Actually Existing Socialist states left, (b) often, these countries are blockaded, or are active enemies and targets of Western political propaganda which means the news/media/social media is geared towards misinformation, disinformation and fake news on AES states. Because of this, us explaining how something isn’t true is always met with the response that we’re Russian or Chinese bots, because everyone has to believe in liberalism/conservatism and the superiority of Western Civilization™ and nothing else.
Isn’t that the ultimate win of propaganda, when people no longer need government to falsely justify it’s actions, because they do the justification themselves?
Isn’t it the ultimate win of propaganda when the population believes they’re not propagandised?
Who the fuck cares if China censors Lemmy? You fucks pretend like VPNs are not a common thing in China. If people want to get here, they will find a way.
It’s not a good or bad thing, it just doesn’t particularly matter.
China is heavily censoring internet and you fucks pretend that it’s actually a good thing. If they’re living so well you all pretend, they would clearly see all those western propaganda articles lying about them and not believe them.
God you don’t even understand what the intention is with the firewall do you? Its to prevent companies like Google using it’s global network and capital to monopolize services in China. Why do you think it is that China has such a robust local tech sector? Because they do not allow shit like Google so they can promote their own solutions. Its why alibaba does cloud computing, why WeChat is the everything app, and why Huawei is their leading phone brand.
And guess what? The US engages in the same fucking shit. The only reason you don’t recognize that is because the US dominates the world tech market. Huawei phones were band for federal use, and you have to import them if you want one. Tiktok is under threat for the same reason, it’s eating home grown social media apps for lunch.
There is a fucking reason why China has had consistent year after year GDP growth. Its the same reason the USSR had a consistent GDP growth after the October revolution, and why they went from a feudal system to the fucking solar system in 40 years. They have a better command over their economy. US capital does whatever it wants and its like pulling teeth to get it to do anything for the national good. Meanwhile, China is ripe with innovations and they leverage their command over their economy to set hard priorities and goals nationally.
Censorship is a western reductionist viewpoint, a thought terminating notion, a fucking brain worm.
CGTN was literally banned in the UK. Just this week the German police prevented a Palestine conference from going ahead and banned a leftist Greek politician (Yanis Varoufakis) from entering the country, as well as banning his participation in any conferences via virtual appearance, permanently. Don’t pretend the west does not practice censorship.
If China didn’t ‘censor’ the internet they never would have developed their own technology sector and there would be only one worldwide monopoly for search, social media, ect. You want to live in that world?
You say that with the moral presumption that “censorship is bad”, when in reality it is just a tool. Every single country does it, there is no value in the way you are treating it. The US wanting to ban TikTok falls into the same category. If Brasil, my country, decides to ban twitter in the coming days because Elon is trying to mess with us by not banning users that are breaking the law, it would be censorship, but it would also also be sending a message to Musk and the US that we won’t accept this kind of shit.
Besides that, like the person you’re replying to already said, VPNs are very common in China, the government does not give a fuck if you want to access the parts of the internet that are banned there.
You stupid fucks are hilarious. Learn to not be an illiterate fuck. The internet censorship is not about information control, as I said, VPNs are a common enough thing in China, it’s about the ability to domestically develop and control internet structures the way the U.S. does. If people want to interact with the U.S. internet, it is but a click away.
One of the more interesting drawbacks of the censorship of the Chinese Internet is that the average Chinese person has absolutely no idea how racist, belligerent and backwards-thinking most Americans are because they don’t interact with them online. They, on average, want us to ‘succeed and prosper’ as they have, and don’t tell themselves stories about how badly we’re doing or how stupid we are in order to make themselves feel better. They understand how this whole ‘capitalism’ thing is supposed to work far better than we do and so they don’t care about.competeing, and they realize that it is a competition, but they think it should be friendly. After all, that’s good for business, right, you liberal schmuck?
All I do is pay them the same common courtesy that they pay me.
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I know that powerful governments operate various illegal places in other countries to serve their needs. China even admitted operating some illegal “police stations” in my country after they shut those down themselfs, and I have no doubts taht the USA does similar things. However, I haven’t found any sources about this place being operated by US government. Maybe I’m bad at research, but no one from those claiming it was that provided any source either. The person in the second screenshot even says that they’re just guessing. When I see my government, or US government, or the EU, do some bullshit, I don’t immediately start thinking about how it was actually a move to defend from Chinese or Russian forces.
It’s was the same in the thread I mentioned about China blocking access to lemmy.ml: there were definitely even some hexbear users criticizing China’s censorship, but there were also multiple tankies writing essays about how the censoring is actually necessary because of capitalist propaganda (is lemmy.ml an US propaganda website?) and just doing all sorts of mental gymnastics to justify it. I know I’m using the words “mental gymnastics” too much now, but I just can’t see any better naming for some of the comments out there. So, it’s not just about this particular LGBT center, it’s about this mentality of trying to come up with any reason of why the (usually Chinese) government is actually doing good thing. Isn’t that the ultimate win of propaganda, when people no longer need government to falsely justify it’s actions, because they do the justification themselves?
Lol
Honestly I don’t believe you, I see it all the time, liberals constantly defending US imperialism in the name of stopping RuZZians or the evil Chinese commies.
Oh I’m sorry, is finding a reason for a given action now explicit 100% support of said government’s actions? Most of the time, yes, China is correct in blocking US interference, because they’re one of the remaining socialist nations who, after being opened up with American help, is now being backstabbed and made out to be the enemy by the US political class. The reason why we “defend” these nations and many decisions they make is explicitly because (a) they’re one of the remaining Actually Existing Socialist states left, (b) often, these countries are blockaded, or are active enemies and targets of Western political propaganda which means the news/media/social media is geared towards misinformation, disinformation and fake news on AES states. Because of this, us explaining how something isn’t true is always met with the response that we’re Russian or Chinese bots, because everyone has to believe in liberalism/conservatism and the superiority of Western Civilization™ and nothing else.
Isn’t it the ultimate win of propaganda when the population believes they’re not propagandised?
Who the fuck cares if China censors Lemmy? You fucks pretend like VPNs are not a common thing in China. If people want to get here, they will find a way.
It’s not a good or bad thing, it just doesn’t particularly matter.
China is heavily censoring internet and you fucks pretend that it’s actually a good thing. If they’re living so well you all pretend, they would clearly see all those western propaganda articles lying about them and not believe them.
you should go outside.
Thanks for your valuable insight
take a lap, dork.
God you don’t even understand what the intention is with the firewall do you? Its to prevent companies like Google using it’s global network and capital to monopolize services in China. Why do you think it is that China has such a robust local tech sector? Because they do not allow shit like Google so they can promote their own solutions. Its why alibaba does cloud computing, why WeChat is the everything app, and why Huawei is their leading phone brand.
And guess what? The US engages in the same fucking shit. The only reason you don’t recognize that is because the US dominates the world tech market. Huawei phones were band for federal use, and you have to import them if you want one. Tiktok is under threat for the same reason, it’s eating home grown social media apps for lunch.
There is a fucking reason why China has had consistent year after year GDP growth. Its the same reason the USSR had a consistent GDP growth after the October revolution, and why they went from a feudal system to the fucking solar system in 40 years. They have a better command over their economy. US capital does whatever it wants and its like pulling teeth to get it to do anything for the national good. Meanwhile, China is ripe with innovations and they leverage their command over their economy to set hard priorities and goals nationally.
Censorship is a western reductionist viewpoint, a thought terminating notion, a fucking brain worm.
CGTN was literally banned in the UK. Just this week the German police prevented a Palestine conference from going ahead and banned a leftist Greek politician (Yanis Varoufakis) from entering the country, as well as banning his participation in any conferences via virtual appearance, permanently. Don’t pretend the west does not practice censorship.
If China didn’t ‘censor’ the internet they never would have developed their own technology sector and there would be only one worldwide monopoly for search, social media, ect. You want to live in that world?
You say that with the moral presumption that “censorship is bad”, when in reality it is just a tool. Every single country does it, there is no value in the way you are treating it. The US wanting to ban TikTok falls into the same category. If Brasil, my country, decides to ban twitter in the coming days because Elon is trying to mess with us by not banning users that are breaking the law, it would be censorship, but it would also also be sending a message to Musk and the US that we won’t accept this kind of shit.
Besides that, like the person you’re replying to already said, VPNs are very common in China, the government does not give a fuck if you want to access the parts of the internet that are banned there.
You stupid fucks are hilarious. Learn to not be an illiterate fuck. The internet censorship is not about information control, as I said, VPNs are a common enough thing in China, it’s about the ability to domestically develop and control internet structures the way the U.S. does. If people want to interact with the U.S. internet, it is but a click away.
One of the more interesting drawbacks of the censorship of the Chinese Internet is that the average Chinese person has absolutely no idea how racist, belligerent and backwards-thinking most Americans are because they don’t interact with them online. They, on average, want us to ‘succeed and prosper’ as they have, and don’t tell themselves stories about how badly we’re doing or how stupid we are in order to make themselves feel better. They understand how this whole ‘capitalism’ thing is supposed to work far better than we do and so they don’t care about.competeing, and they realize that it is a competition, but they think it should be friendly. After all, that’s good for business, right, you liberal schmuck?
All I do is pay them the same common courtesy that they pay me.