And I think these parts are fair to say but they lose me within the first few minutes by jumping to disassociated bold points like the cloud to windows being proprietary.

We need well reasoned arguments that are cohesive and the moment you lose that, you basically damage your own cause.

Again though it’s a discussion. I’m just saying that it’s disappointing and quickly frustrating that this is how things get framed: with facts and arguments that are leading. Don’t show your hand. Let people arrive at these things as a logical conclusion based on a pile of evidence.