I disagree. Just like there is no “racism against white people”, sexism does not work both ways. There is a difference between saying something mean about some people and structural discrimination like racism and sexism. There is a whole established and centuries old structure giving cis men power and privileges. I can scream how I want here, but when I go out I still have to fear to be sexually assaulted, bullied or marginalized by cis men. In my view there is no safe space including cis men.
You do not seem to be familiar with feminist viewpoints. And it is obvious that you do not face sexism and this is then your privilege, i.e. that until now you didn’t even have to think about the perspective of people facing sexism. Hopefully someone will be there to explain this to you, I already did my part and have the feeling that you won’t listen to me anyway. This would be the moment now for the progressive cis men to step up and educate about sexism. So please, help me out here.
Yes it does work both ways, that’s a misandrist and sexist statement as well. I’m very well aware of what feminism is, I’ve been one my entire life and have studied it in school. My wife is the breadwinner in our family, I have a tattoo paying tribute to Lisbeth Salander (my favourite fictional character) and as a writer have made sure to put strong female characters at the forefront who aren’t reliant on men. I make an effort to support strong female characters in media. All of this despite having an abusive mom who I refused to allow to colour my views of all women.
That you are so dismissive of what I’m probably saying because I’m a man says more about you and where your values lay. You’d rather push people away who likely mostly agree with you because of their gender and your distrust and animosity towards them.
I showed this entire thread to my wife devoid of context and while she could see where you’re coming from, she argued that is not true feminism, just misandry and wanting “revenge” on men. To claim that you have the right to attack, insult and go after people because of their gender is not feminism, it’s misandry. These types of proclamations are not helpful and only creates more division. I say that as someone who has also voted left my entire life. This is very much a “men are the enemy, us vs them” attitude because of your experiences.
The fact that Beehaw continues to allow this rhetoric is incredibly hypocritical. What you’re claiming is that it’s okay to be hurtful and offensive to a gender because previously you lacked the power to do so. That is in no way acceptable and doesn’t make you much better than what you’re criticizing. If Beehaw tolerates this type of dialogue then they should fully support men doing the same (which they shouldn’t either). That is actual equality.
I am unlikely to return to this instance anymore as I find it extremely hypocritical and unwelcoming. That admins and mods will tolerate these kinds of comments attacking an entire gender is unfair, unequal and shows me that the mission statement they claim is false. “A petty hill to die on” should’ve been a lighthearted thread, not an excuse to repeatedly insult someone’s gender (which is a characteristic they can’t help).
I disagree. Just like there is no “racism against white people”, sexism does not work both ways. There is a difference between saying something mean about some people and structural discrimination like racism and sexism. There is a whole established and centuries old structure giving cis men power and privileges. I can scream how I want here, but when I go out I still have to fear to be sexually assaulted, bullied or marginalized by cis men. In my view there is no safe space including cis men.
You do not seem to be familiar with feminist viewpoints. And it is obvious that you do not face sexism and this is then your privilege, i.e. that until now you didn’t even have to think about the perspective of people facing sexism. Hopefully someone will be there to explain this to you, I already did my part and have the feeling that you won’t listen to me anyway. This would be the moment now for the progressive cis men to step up and educate about sexism. So please, help me out here.
Yes it does work both ways, that’s a misandrist and sexist statement as well. I’m very well aware of what feminism is, I’ve been one my entire life and have studied it in school. My wife is the breadwinner in our family, I have a tattoo paying tribute to Lisbeth Salander (my favourite fictional character) and as a writer have made sure to put strong female characters at the forefront who aren’t reliant on men. I make an effort to support strong female characters in media. All of this despite having an abusive mom who I refused to allow to colour my views of all women.
That you are so dismissive of what I’m probably saying because I’m a man says more about you and where your values lay. You’d rather push people away who likely mostly agree with you because of their gender and your distrust and animosity towards them.
I showed this entire thread to my wife devoid of context and while she could see where you’re coming from, she argued that is not true feminism, just misandry and wanting “revenge” on men. To claim that you have the right to attack, insult and go after people because of their gender is not feminism, it’s misandry. These types of proclamations are not helpful and only creates more division. I say that as someone who has also voted left my entire life. This is very much a “men are the enemy, us vs them” attitude because of your experiences.
The fact that Beehaw continues to allow this rhetoric is incredibly hypocritical. What you’re claiming is that it’s okay to be hurtful and offensive to a gender because previously you lacked the power to do so. That is in no way acceptable and doesn’t make you much better than what you’re criticizing. If Beehaw tolerates this type of dialogue then they should fully support men doing the same (which they shouldn’t either). That is actual equality.
I am unlikely to return to this instance anymore as I find it extremely hypocritical and unwelcoming. That admins and mods will tolerate these kinds of comments attacking an entire gender is unfair, unequal and shows me that the mission statement they claim is false. “A petty hill to die on” should’ve been a lighthearted thread, not an excuse to repeatedly insult someone’s gender (which is a characteristic they can’t help).