Just curious since I think it is about to get a whole lot harder to search using google. hopefully this will signal the end of their monopoly.
Easier solution: Don’t use google
True I generally use duckduckgo though I would like to see more open source options instead of everything being front ends for google and bing.
None. I think I’ll honestly move off of the internet once ai becomes sufficiently advanced(as in web browsing). Every god damn company is so hell bent on making AI that can flood the internet with tons of mediocre, irrelevant, “content” that there’s no point in visiting it anymore.
Tons of comments now are made by bots running chat gpt, hell there are even bots made just to bully people. The internet is dying, and corporations are eager to kill it.
I would argue that the corporate ai mess is not the real internet and that the real internet is made up of people. If the Corporations want to make their walled gardens unusable then the internet community should rebuild and make the internet usable again.
I have been considering for a while making a community around asking the sort of questions people would normally search for so people can give answers that can be added to a list though idk how practical that would be?I’m worried that corpos would use AI to exploit “human sections” of the internet. Already on reddit I have seen bots that try to answer questions, but “subtly” promote their product (sometimes to a comical degree).
Wherever there are people, there will soon be bots to deceive and exploit them
Corporations and governments. Epecially the Kremlin and CCP, but also parts of the US and other governments.
It only takes one shitty person to ruin something for everyone and there are a large number of shitty people doing shitty things on the Internet.
I get my searched done 90% through DuckDuckGo.
Unfortunately for much more specific searches, Google still gets those results better than DDG.
I get my searched done 90% through DuckDuckGo.
Same, but I have found that when I do fall back to Google, the results are less helpful than they used to be. I’m not sure if it’s because DDG has gotten better and I only need to fall back on harder questions that Google also struggles with or if Google has just plain gotten worse…
Feels like the second option though…
Never tried the fallback option.
DDG has been working fine for me. But I am inclined to use Google search in a separate container in Firefox.
Google is definitely getting worse. Try searching for your new favorite artist or band. It’s literally impossible to just scroll through pages of results and find things like review sites and blogs talking about them. You will inevitably just be given AI results for like Taylor Swift and whoever’s topping charts right now, completely irrelevant to what you want to see.
The only time I prefer google is when looking up local things like businesses, movies, or flights.
I switched to DuckDuckGo like a year ago
I haven’t used google in years
Yeah, the big search engines have been getting more and more useless as SEO has taken over. And now using “AI” which will be even more susceptible to manipulation.
I know Google search has gone down the shitter… but it’s still far and away the most useful search engine I use. Every now and then I try to use bing or ddg or whatever, and they waste so much of my goddamn time I just run the same search in Google and get something usable on the first page of results, even with all the kludge.
At this point I’d rather pay for a search engine if it meant better searching and no ads.
Kagi is way better than Google these days.
Kagi, you say.
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I haven’t used Google Search in years (DuckDuckGo ftw). I do use Copilot from time to time, and it’s alright.
You can use the “web” tab on search result to remove all AI results.
I’m confused. Lately people here have been telling me Google had become unusable and they nowadays use ChatGPT to get their information…
Now Google brings AI to search and that’s wrong, too?
Heheh. I got this with one of the Llama3 fine-tunes: “Well, the classic “man and goat” problem! This one’s a bit more abstract than usual for me, but I’m up for the challenge. Let me think… We have a man and a goat on one side of the river. They need to get to the other side but only have a single-person boat. The twist here is that if the goat is left unattended, it will eat the boat. So, we need to find a way to get them both across without leaving the goat unattended. One possible solution would be to have them take turns rowing the boat while the other stays in the boat holding onto the goat. […]” followed by more nonsense. Seems to be a good question.
On the fifth try it almost gets it: “Ah, I’ve got it! The man will first row the goat across. Once they reach the other side, the man will leave the goat and then return to pick up himself. This way, neither the man nor the goat will be left unattended during the trip.”
🤣
I mean there’s probably a nonzero percentage of the population that will struggle with this question too.
Did you really read it? Pay attention to the cabbage.
Perhaps the AI is smarter in this case for answering based on learned history.
You forget for example that there’s an overlap between the dumbest humans and the smartest bears.
If the man and the goat are left unattended, the man will eat the goat. If the goat and the boat are left unattended, the goat will eat the boat. If the man and the boat are left unattended, the boat will eat the man.
I promise, there are dozens of us that find Google to be unusable and wouldn’t touch ChatGPT with a 10 foot USB extension.
Reassuring to hear I’m not the only one with that perspective. (I mean I touched ChatGPT… But I wouldn’t use it for factual stuff or to filter information and feed it to me.)
I wouldn’t recommend ChatGPT for factual information at all (at least, not without validating for yourself afterwards), but I think it’s quite good for helping you mull over or develop ideas, and for finding “soft answers” to things.
I used it recently to suggest a font to use, for instance, and found it much, much better than trying to use a search engine. My font knowledge isn’t particularly high at all - I know what serif means but that’s about it as far as technical knowledge, and I wouldn’t recognise or categorise most fonts - but I was able to describe what I wanted to ChatGPT and narrow it down:
- “I want something more friendly than that”
- “less professional”
- “more wonky”
- “less rounded”
- “less uncomfortable”
And so on. I could be somewhat abstract with my requests and it still mostly seemed to understand what I meant. Eventually it suggested something that fit my requirements pretty well. Trying to find a similar suggestion via a search engine would have been very difficult, I think, and would basically have just relied on me stumbling on a “top 10 fonts for X” listicle that happened to cover my requirements.
ChatGPT is fantastic within its specific niche (assuming you know how to feed it prompts properly and how to interpret its outputs - it’s a tool thats usefulness very much depends on the operator) but I definitely wouldn’t want it to replace search engines.
Hmmh. Would be interesting to find out if it has a concept of ‘rounded’ or ‘professional’ fonts, or if it just guessed random font names until you happened to like one if them. That isn’t always obvious and we have a tendency to see what we like/expect to see in such scenarios.
Yeah, I have that conversation regularly here on Lemmy. People use ChatGPT for all kinds of stuff. I’m more into the downloadable models like Meta’s Llama model. I’ve had sub par experiences when querying any of those for factual information or giving it tasks like doing a summary. I also just use it for stuff like your example. And for creative or recreational purposes. It can also help with creativity, come up with ideas or rephrase things. And translation works well. At least that’s been my experience.
Wikipedia.
Create the special bookmarks with %s to take you directly to documentation pages for whatever you type - e.g. bookmark doc.qt.io/qt-6/%s.html and give it a keyword.
Same with Wikipedia (this one might be easier via search engine keywords) - so typing “w test” would bring you straight to the disambiguation page for the River Test
Same for anything with reference numbers - e.g. RFQ numbers - create a bookmark that lets you type a number into the URL bar and go straight to the official page.
mdn
gore and porn ai sites.
I’m doing my part by hoarding terabytes of porn on a server in my basement.
You know how some people set up a self hosted lan media streaming thingy for all their pirated movies? I do that with all my porn.
Buy calls on bluewaffle.com and goatse.cx
NSFW
it was mostly a joke because of another article with the chat gpt guy saying they need to not be to prudish with the rails. mostly. joking.
