• BarqsHasBite@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    Dems can’t move as far left as you want them to when there’s a very real chance of losing. Want it to move left? Give Dems overwhelming and consistent wins and they can listen to the more left part of their party and move left.

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      If this were a parliamentary system, sure. But our constitutional framework does not produce overwhelming, consistent victory. Like, ever, in its history.

      May I remind you after the Bush administration, Obama won both the primaries and the overall election by campaigning from the left, not the center. And he won by a very wide margin.

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        Hmmmmm how ever could you influence who would win an election? Hmmmmmmm, Let’s see. Oh yeah, by voting.

        May I remind you that Obama was not running against an incumbent? (Not to mention that he mostly ran on hope. And after the war mongering Bush it really didn’t take much.) When running against an incumbent, you have to go to the centre. That was how Clinton and Biden won. And we’re back to how do you move things left? Simple: By voting. By giving consistent and overwhelming victories.

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          Biden isn’t running against an incumbent, he is the incumbent. You want him to run from the center against an incumbent, OK. But then what? Run from the center again? That doesn’t make sense.

          Again, “consistent, overwhelming” victory is a fantasy. Control of the executive and legislative branch exchanges hands every few terms. That’s just how this rule-set and this electorate play out.

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            JFC Now you’re just playing dumb. Biden ran against the incumbent, do I have to specify I’m talking 2020? When Biden faced off against the incumbent in 2020 he had to run centre. JFC. And guess fucking what, that carries on. Especially when it’s a rematch of the same guys, with the same policies, the same MO. Why do I bother when you play dumb. (Not that he’s even announced what he’s running on yet for 2024, but we can take a good guess).

            Yeah you’re back to excusing yourself for not voting. Jeez you know how you could change that changing hands stuff? By voting. Seriously why am I bothering when all you do is make excuses for not voting. If you want to continue you’re gong to have to do better.

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      Presidentially: yeah.

      Congressionally and locally: not nearly as much. There’s a pretty solid track record especially since the Citizens United and SpeechNow decisions of the Democratic Party either mobilizing against progressives and for conservatives in primaries where there isn’t even a GOP threat.

      They even took down Katie Porter because she didn’t kiss the ring of Dianne Feinstein.

      But yeah, the acute threat the GOP poses gives them harm reduction status.

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        President and Congress. Probably locally too but federally is what I’m focusing on.

        And this isn’t strictly harm reduction. Like I said, want it to move left? That will happen with overwhelming and consistent wins.

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          The DNC funded Schiff hard and even funded the GOP candidate for attack ads against her. I mean you’re objectively correct: she lost. But she was fighting two parties by the time the primary happened.

          She announced her intent to run too early back when effort was still being made to “Weekend At Bernies” Feinstein, which waa her undoing.

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      Dems can’t move as far left as you want them to when there’s a very real chance of losing.

      At least, not when there’s a very real chance of losing to the right.

      It’d be different if the Republican Party was out there hawking Marx instead of Mises.