“Is cooked”, meaning “Is in trouble” or “Is in some shit”.
Hyprland’s dev got themselves into some internet fight because they associated themselves with a transphobe and Freedesktop people decided this was enough.
Eh, I’ll be honest. Having read the posts here (from both Vaxry AND Freedesktop) about the subject:
It does seem like Vaxry is just a well-meaning software dev caught up in shit he didn’t ask for. He wasn’t the person who made the comment for one thing.
But also I kinda get Freedesktop’s angle here, being a queer person myself. I’ve seen communities I previously cared about get ship-of-theseused into places that are deeply unwelcoming to people like me due to brushing off this kind of ‘joke’. You give the -phobes an inch they WILL take the entire road.
In another universe where things are entirely different, I might agree to the ‘people should be very private online’. Fuck, I’d even extend it to real life?
But we don’t live in that other universe, and in the universe we currently live, obnoxious behaviour from The Straights ™ isn’t considered obnoxious by 90% of society, whereas even the smallest bit of expression from a GSM person is seen as extravagant and explicit. Straight people can take advantage of the standard of ‘people should be private’ because their expression isn’t considered unprivate by most and the opposite isn’t true for us.
This, and don’t forget that gnome comes with their pre-installed email client called “Evolution” which you cannot uninstall because it depends on core elements of gnome.
What do you need a system tray for? It has a drop-down control center on the top-right. That mirrors most of the functionality from a system tray that I would need.
This kind of attitude is precisely what rubs me the wrong way about gnome.
Like nevermind customization. I care about it because I am literally this. But most people just want their OS to work and get out of the way so they can get to doing work or playing games or looking at hentai or whatever it is their do with their computer and I get and respect that.
It is true that Gnome’s control center can do a lot of things. All the integrated system functionality is there, as is the stuff for applications that are made FOR Gnome.
But the thing is. A lot of programmes that aren’t Gnome-centered, that are DE-agnostic or even System-Agnostic? They expect a system tray, because every OS has had something like it since 1997, and implement functionality expecting it to be there, with some configurations and such only being accessible through the tray icon. And Gnome’s general attitude to third party applications expecting something to be there is “fuck off, we don’t care, the third party application should adapt to how we do things, but if you REALLY need this thing we decided is worthless, you can install this janky third party extension to get it I guess”.
My choice for ‘gets out of the way’ would be something like Cinnamon. In my experience, Gnome does the opposite of getting out of the way, as a lot of basic functionality requires third party stuff. So in order to get things to work, if they aren’t specifically part of the Gnome ecossystem, you’ll have to spend time tinkering, and it’s not ‘tinkering for fun because I like coonfing’, it’s ‘tinkering out of necessity to get this thing to work properly’ which is not nice.
I haven’t had to use any application like that in a while, though I’m sure you’re right that they exist. Could you give me an example of an application feature that’s only accessible from the system tray?
Dropbox and MEGAsync, though I stopped using those late last year (switched to having an old laptop as a “home server” and using syncthing for backups) so maybe they changed since then. They were my ur-example for it, as I was still using them last time I tried gnome.
Lots of wine related things. Game clients and such. If wine can’t find a tray it drops a window on a corner with the tray icons which works but is inelegant
Then there’s programs that while absolutely usable without a tray, are just better if you have it. Steam for one, with a tray it lets you close out the main window(s) and then call up just the thing you want from the tray. AntimicroX too. A pair of electron apps like Heroic Launcher and Zapzap (a WhatsApp client) have troubleshooting things and configs on the tray icon, even if you can use them without that (or learn key shortcuts for the same function)
Hmmm alright I guess you laid out a pretty good argument. Even when I still used Windows I basically always ignored the system tray. I found it annoying and distracting. Didn’t even really notice it was gone when I started using Linux with GNOME.
Honestly the lack of customizability is the least of my worries with Gnome.
Why the FUCK doesn’t it have a SYSTEM TRAY without an extension?
Like it’s one thing to be minimalistic and opinionated.
It’s another thing entirely to opt out of basic system functionality that has been part of every OS since 1997. Like fuck.
Edit: Also how fun that this is how I find out Hyprland is cooked due to internet drama and 4chan bullshit.
Hyprland’s what?
“Is cooked”, meaning “Is in trouble” or “Is in some shit”.
Hyprland’s dev got themselves into some internet fight because they associated themselves with a transphobe and Freedesktop people decided this was enough.
As I understand, the person who ultimately made the decision to ban Vaxry was also on a massive power trip.
You’d imagine freeDesktop devs to be more mature about something like that compared to a young adult, and end up being wrong and unsurprised
Eh, I’ll be honest. Having read the posts here (from both Vaxry AND Freedesktop) about the subject:
It does seem like Vaxry is just a well-meaning software dev caught up in shit he didn’t ask for. He wasn’t the person who made the comment for one thing.
But also I kinda get Freedesktop’s angle here, being a queer person myself. I’ve seen communities I previously cared about get ship-of-theseused into places that are deeply unwelcoming to people like me due to brushing off this kind of ‘joke’. You give the -phobes an inch they WILL take the entire road.
In my opinion everyone needs to be very private online, so i cant really relate.
But kinda see what you mean
[tongue click]
In another universe where things are entirely different, I might agree to the ‘people should be very private online’. Fuck, I’d even extend it to real life?
But we don’t live in that other universe, and in the universe we currently live, obnoxious behaviour from The Straights ™ isn’t considered obnoxious by 90% of society, whereas even the smallest bit of expression from a GSM person is seen as extravagant and explicit. Straight people can take advantage of the standard of ‘people should be private’ because their expression isn’t considered unprivate by most and the opposite isn’t true for us.
So $&*# that. I’ll be as loudly gay as I can be.
…Okay?
Gnome has an alternative for the system tray now. Caffeine uses it, it appears as a button in the control center.
That said, many people believe the system tray was a bad design decision, including Gnome.
Personally I don’t like applications going into the tray, I usually set them to quit when the window is closed where possible.
This, and don’t forget that gnome comes with their pre-installed email client called “Evolution” which you cannot uninstall because it depends on core elements of gnome.
What do you need a system tray for? It has a drop-down control center on the top-right. That mirrors most of the functionality from a system tray that I would need.
This kind of attitude is precisely what rubs me the wrong way about gnome.
Like nevermind customization. I care about it because I am literally this. But most people just want their OS to work and get out of the way so they can get to doing work or playing games or looking at hentai or whatever it is their do with their computer and I get and respect that.
It is true that Gnome’s control center can do a lot of things. All the integrated system functionality is there, as is the stuff for applications that are made FOR Gnome.
But the thing is. A lot of programmes that aren’t Gnome-centered, that are DE-agnostic or even System-Agnostic? They expect a system tray, because every OS has had something like it since 1997, and implement functionality expecting it to be there, with some configurations and such only being accessible through the tray icon. And Gnome’s general attitude to third party applications expecting something to be there is “fuck off, we don’t care, the third party application should adapt to how we do things, but if you REALLY need this thing we decided is worthless, you can install this janky third party extension to get it I guess”.
My choice for ‘gets out of the way’ would be something like Cinnamon. In my experience, Gnome does the opposite of getting out of the way, as a lot of basic functionality requires third party stuff. So in order to get things to work, if they aren’t specifically part of the Gnome ecossystem, you’ll have to spend time tinkering, and it’s not ‘tinkering for fun because I like coonfing’, it’s ‘tinkering out of necessity to get this thing to work properly’ which is not nice.
I haven’t had to use any application like that in a while, though I’m sure you’re right that they exist. Could you give me an example of an application feature that’s only accessible from the system tray?
Dropbox and MEGAsync, though I stopped using those late last year (switched to having an old laptop as a “home server” and using syncthing for backups) so maybe they changed since then. They were my ur-example for it, as I was still using them last time I tried gnome.
Lots of wine related things. Game clients and such. If wine can’t find a tray it drops a window on a corner with the tray icons which works but is inelegant
Then there’s programs that while absolutely usable without a tray, are just better if you have it. Steam for one, with a tray it lets you close out the main window(s) and then call up just the thing you want from the tray. AntimicroX too. A pair of electron apps like Heroic Launcher and Zapzap (a WhatsApp client) have troubleshooting things and configs on the tray icon, even if you can use them without that (or learn key shortcuts for the same function)
Hmmm alright I guess you laid out a pretty good argument. Even when I still used Windows I basically always ignored the system tray. I found it annoying and distracting. Didn’t even really notice it was gone when I started using Linux with GNOME.