• deaf_fish@lemm.ee
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    5 months ago

    Ok, so correct me if I am wrong. The moment right before Hitler 2 gives the order to start gassing the target groups, you will attempt to use violence to stop it. You will wait until then even though Hitler 2 has talked daily about how the target groups are less than human and should be removed from society. All of this talk while Hitler 2 is rising in power and people are starting to follow them blindly.

    My friend, by the time you attempt to use violence on Hitler 2 to stop them. It’s too late. You are going to get killed by the police before you get close to doing anything.

    If your intent is to minimize violence, this is your score:

    • A couple of fascists not punched: +10 points
    • An easily predictable genocide of millions: -10000000 points.
    • Total: -9999990

    My score:

    • A couple of fascists punched: -10 points
    • Total: -10 points

    If you got something that will get me down to 0. I am willing and excited to hear about it.

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      5 months ago

      correct me if I am wrong

      You are wrong

      You will wait until then even though Hitler 2 has talked daily about how the target groups are less than human and should be removed from society.

      Hitler 2 can go ahead and preach that as much as he wants.

      All of this talk while Hitler 2 is rising in power

      A society that shares my free speech values recognizes that “removing people from society” is an offensive act. They do not share his values, so he never rises to power in the first place.

      Fascists can only rise to power when the people demand the right to remove their enemies from society. Which is exactly what you are doing. The powers that fascists need to cause harm are the exact powers that you are demanding for yourself. When you have those powers, so do they. When those powers are denied to you, they are denied to fascists.

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        5 months ago

        You are wrong

        Good, I am ready to learn.

        A society that shares my free speech values recognizes that “removing people from society” is an offensive act…

        Ok, so, we have Hitler 2. They have just formed their options about how they hate whatever group and want them dead. They then go to talk to others about how problematic this target group is. And then everyone just ignore them because they implicitly are aware what Hitler 2 is talking about will eventually lead to violence?

        Is that right?

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          5 months ago

          Replace “Hitler 2” with “Fred Phelps” of the Westboro Baptist Church, and you can see how that scenario turned out for Fred. Basically, yes.

          In a society that values free speech, the idea of “how they hate whatever group and want them dead” is the antithesis of that philosophy. Any time he “talks to others” about the people he hates, they recognize he is preaching an opinion contrary to that philosophy. Consequently, they shun him, rather than follow him. They leave him to say what he wants, but his speech alienates people instead of helping him consolidate power.

          Fascism is destroyed when nobody - not you; not Hitler 2 - has power to silence dissent.

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            I see where you are coming from. I just don’t think it can be pulled off in the current reality we live in. Fascism is spreading today. Things have been getting worse. The US has freedom of speech and the Fascist are currently using it as a shield. I am not saying we have to get rid of freedom of speech. I just think there needs to be consequences to saying dumb shit.

            Fascism is destroyed when nobody - not you; not Hitler 2 - has power to silence dissent.

            To be clear I don’t want to lose freedom of speech to silence the fascists I just want to punch them and make fun of them if they do start spreading their ideology.