• assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    Well put. The only principle we should be considering is saving as many lives as possible and preventing as much persecution as possible. Adherence to any principles which go against this simply shows those principles are not worth holding, not as absolutes at least.

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      5 months ago

      Voting for the democrats isn’t saving lives though. The red states are just going ahead with massive civil rights violations anyways. If the democrats won’t step in to stop them then we don’t have a reason to vote for them anymore. The worst case scenario is already happening. It’s not in the future, it’s now.

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        5 months ago

        Voting for the democrats isn’t saving lives though.

        How do you prove or disprove this?

        If the democrats won’t step in to stop them then we don’t have a reason to vote for them anymore

        Do you not understand how our system of government works? Or do you just want some sort of left-leaning fascism? Admittedly, Bernie would make a great benevolent dictator… but that’s exactly the kind of thing that bites you in the ass eventually.

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          5 months ago

          The president has more power than you think he does. Trump reminded us of that. And it’s simple to prove. What has he done to stop Abbot and DeSantis? He has how many federal law enforcement officers? And he hasn’t just arrested the Texas national guardsmen operating illegally on the border? Hell he could just call them to federal duty and send them to an ammo dump in Alaska.

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            5 months ago

            If nothing else you’ve demonstrated your complete ignorance of how our political system works in this country. Well done!

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              Look up title 10 orders. The president is the commander in chief. If he won’t pull those guardsmen out of there it’s because he doesn’t mind what they’ve done.

              The pure fucking irony of you saying that when everything I just suggested is based in existing law and precedent.

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                The pure fucking irony of you saying that when everything I just suggested is based in existing law and precedent.

                LOL. You are clearly ignorant of the practical implications of such things and more generally of how politics works in real terms.

                Every action a president takes either gains or loses political capital. The president does not operate in a vacuum… indeed our entire system of government is designed to have checks and balances and specifically to keep the authority of a president confined.

                I must say, you have such an incredibly simplistic view of this… it’s quite stunning. You literally sound like a MAGAt, begging for authoritarian control.

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                  5 months ago

                  So now we’re moving the goal posts. It’s political capital and not political system.

                  I agree, what he spends his capital on shows what he cares about. Good thing there’s not some black hole of a situation he’s just dumping capital into right now…