• Patapon Enjoyer@lemmy.world
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    You can vote for Biden to your heart’s content in November, but do you have to defend unwavering support of genocide in June? Biden voters, more than anyone else, should be at his throat for it, but I guess it’s not the right time to not want massacres.

    Maybe give me a timetable of when it’s convenient for you to not want my family murdered

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      Can you answer me how the situtation would be bettered by the Republican who literally moved the embassy to Jerusalem to recognize that as the Israeli capital?

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        This wouldn’t be the horse race it is if Biden had better policy. You should be pissed that your candidate is running such a shit campaign and disparaging college kids fighting for their beliefs.

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        It wouldn’t. Criticizing Biden doesn’t mean you want Trump to win? I’m baffled that this has to be explained.

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          You might not want it, but the fact is that we have a two party system in the US, and reducing support for one side always increases relative support for the other.

          I’m baffled that this has to be explained.

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            So no one is allowed to criticize anything the democrats do because this is a zero sum game and anything you do just makes the republicans stronger. What a fantastic excuse.

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              So no one is allowed to criticize anything the democrats do …

              Who said that? Maybe you’re taking my assessment of the propagandist drumbeat about genocide being Biden’s fault the wrong way.

              It’s real funny how you and your ilk never show up criticizing Netanyahu, who is, you know, the guy over-prosecuting this conflict.

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                How is it not the logical conclusion to “reducing support for one side increases support for the other”? In what cases am I allowed to criticize genocide and what cases am I not allowed?

                Yeah you don’t see me “and my ilk”, whatever the fuck you’re implying criticizing Netanyahu as much, I also didn’t go out of my way to criticize Bin Laden a lot. Turns out you don’t really need to convince people they should hang when everyone already agrees they should hang instead of defending their indefensible crimes against humanity.

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                  The cool thing about Democrats in the US is that you can criticize their policies, and they might even listen to you. Good luck trying to do that with the right wing.

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                    Then why bring up the thing about the two party system? We agree about criticizing their policies. People should do it, specially when the policy is genocide. Leveraging your vote and bargaining is the basic concept of democracy.

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              You’re allowed to say whatever you want. You need to learn the difference between being disagreed with vs. being censored.

              Nobody is telling you that you can’t criticize Biden. We’re just criticizing you.

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              They lack critical thinking skills and just repeat everything they hear on msnbc I suppose.

              Another corporate shill.

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          It does in the case of election/voting choices.

          To your point, criticizing Biden / the government now, in June is totally fine. And necessary. What’s happening in the world, with a USA stamp on it is unacceptable.

          Unfortunately republican actors are also doing that now and following up by saying “so that’s why I’m not voting for Biden”

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      Oh stop with your strawman about how the person you’re responding to, who did not mention Gaza/Israel AT ALL, is supporting genocide.

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        Biden supports genocide. A vote for Biden, regardless if it’s the logical choice, is a vote for genocide wether you made peace with that or not. That’s what electoralism gets you.

        Want to offset that? Then make him stop supporting genocide. Here’s a hint: He wants your votes

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          If you want to play that game, a vote for Biden is a vote for genocide-lite and any other action that leads to better trump chances is a vote (implicit or explicit vote) for genocide-max.

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            This argument could only be made by someone raised on propaganda and rife with Stockholm Syndrome.

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              Big words from a .ml user.

              I simply acknowledge I am in a no-win, limited outcome situation. As such, I move to select the lesser harm option