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    3 months ago

    Sure, let’s do start using it correctly. I’ll go first:

    Israel is engaged in mass murder of Palestinian Civilians.

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        3 months ago

        Got it, so that makes it alright to kill 30,000 civilians who aren’t child soldiers.

        I’m glad you reset my moral compass.

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            3 months ago

            How exactly do you fight a terrorist organization who uses children as both soldiers and human shields without any sort of civilian casualties?

            Probably with more nuance than bombing entire neighborhoods…

            Seriously, there is absolutely no possible ethical excuse for what Israel is doing. Right now the IDF is pretty indistinguishable from the SS. Genocide is genocide and Israel has come all the way from victim to perpetrator. The irony and reality of it is making the rest of the world sick, the only question is, why isn’t it doing the same to the people of Israel?

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                3 months ago

                See the problem is, you don’t know how to do it without injuring civilians,

                Fucking diplomacy.

                Israel is being like a five year old… Learn to use your words, you’ll get better outcomes.

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                3 months ago

                Let’s say you wiped out all the Palestinians. Do you believe that results in peace? Do you remember what motivated Osama Bin Laden? Do you think the rest of the Arab world would be at peace with Israel?

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        3 months ago

        80% of Hamas has been orphaned by Israel. Israel has destroyed nearly all the schools. Israel has been starving the Gazans for decades

        Israel tries Palestinian children in military court for decades, without parental or legal representation.

        But sure buddy go off on your propaganda

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            3 months ago

            Of course im justifying their use of child soldiers. What im wondering is how YOU identify a soldier of Hamas vs a citizen of Palestine defending their home from a military invasion. Because last i checked there are no uniform factories in palestine

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        3 months ago

        Tsk, tsk, tsk. You didn’t use “Palestinian” or “civilian” in that sentence. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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    3 months ago

    Starving children, bombed hospitals and schools, whole neighborhoods reduced to rubble… Yeah let’s worry about properly defining “civilian”.

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    The casualty count is likely way fucking higher than the official numbers. They can’t count the people under the rubble.

    Wouldn’t be surprised if it was already past 100,000

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      3 months ago

      Mehh that is like 5% per 6 months… IDF: these are rookie numbers, got to get 'em up.

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    This is pure genocide apology. Even if it were true that the hostages were held by civilians, the 200+ Palestinians killed were not all holding the hostages. The 600+ injured were not holding the hostages. What a disgusting article. So because a few people “deserved it” we can massacre civilians. Fuck off

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    (Edit: There used to be a comment here where I was trying to say the blaming the Palestinians for fighting back, on any level, is unreasonable.)

    (What I actually wound up saying was victim blaming in a grossly unfair fashion. I’m taking it down. The reply down further below where I try to explain it a little bit better, I’m leaving up, although that one also may still be unfair.)

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      3 months ago

      Then you are a coward and a piece of shit of the absolute highest order

      I think that’s pretty easy for you to say from the outside looking in.

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        I’m not saying anything against someone who for one reason or another (like that they are 2 years old or something) isn’t taking part in fighting, or just wants to live and not to be a part of the killing on either side.

        I’m saying that if you don’t “align” yourself mentally against the invaders while they’re killing your family and blowing up your country, then yes, I think you’re a piece of shit. Meaning, it makes no sense to punish ordinary Palestinians or treat it as anything wrong with them if they are “aligned” against the Israelis or willing to take part in anti Israeli activities, no matter who they are. That may make them “not civilians” legally, but to remain a fully unaligned-with-the-conflict civilian, all the way up until your house is the one getting blown up and you and your family are the dead ones, is unequivocally wrong. In my opinion, and maybe I have no right to say that. You’re right that I’m just saying it from the outside without the slightest idea of the reality of what I’m talking about.

        The solution is to stop the Israelis from brutalizing Palestine in a way that anyone with a shred of human spirit would try to resist against. The solution is not to decide that now that they’ve done that, any Palestinian who doesn’t like it isn’t a civilian anymore, so it’s okay to kill them too.

        (And if someone in Palestine doesn’t care and just wants to get away and be safe, then that is fine. Not saying anything against that. And if they want to work for peace, and that’s their resistance, then great. That is much better. But I’m saying you can’t blame someone for fighting back in a situation this desperate and unfair.)

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      So babies and children and the parents caring for them are cowards? That was the dumbest thing I’ve read this month. Congratulations.

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      3 months ago

      There is no metal gymnastics western media won’t do to provide Israel blank check for their ethnic cleansing campaign.

      The goal is that Israel’s guilt is socialized among all of us…