The path for backbencher Republican candidates running for president in 2024 just got even harder.

Four Republican backbencher candidates who failed to qualify for the first 2024 GOP presidential debate this week slammed the Republican National Committee over its rules, with multiple contenders calling them “rigged.”

  • Nougat@kbin.social
    20·
    10 months ago

    Elder … said he intended to file an emergency lawsuit to halt the debate from taking place. Businessman Perry Johnson, another GOP candidate, also said he intends to take legal action against the RNC.

    I am wholly unclear on how there’s any grounds to litigate about the RNC running a debate. Political parties and their internal operations around how they run their own debates isn’t covered by any law, is it?

    • givesomefucks@lemmy.world
      263·
      10 months ago

      Nope.

      A couple years ago the DNC had a court case about bias in primaries.

      Their legal defense boiled down to:

      We’re a private organization beholden to no one, if we wanted to we could ignore every primary vote and nominate anyone, so it literally doesn’t matter if we have a bias.

      And the courts agreed, because it’s true.

      Our nation is run by two groups of private citizens who can essentially do anything they want.

      And we should change that

      • Kichae@kbin.social
        121·
        10 months ago

        The primary system in the US still blows my mind.

        There are public, state-sanctioned votes to select candidates for private political groups? That’s wild. That gives the impression to the populace that these private organizations are part of the state apparatus itself. It provides an impenetrable legitimacy to those that are already dominant, and makes it so, so much harder for new ones to crop up, because they lack that mantle of legitimacy.

        It’s all show, no go.

        • hoodatninja@kbin.social
          7·
          10 months ago

          So here’s a part of the history you (and many others) are actually missing that will help contextualize this. Make no mistake, I have issues with the primaries too. But this is interesting and may even reshape your opinion.

          For over a century we couldn’t vote at all on the candidates. They were completely selected by the parties. People actually protested that system saying they had no say in the candidates, and thus the first presidential primary happened in 1912 I believe (forgot the state). It rolled out over the 20th century because people felt it was unfair the party got to select without their input.

          • Kichae@kbin.social
            23·
            10 months ago

            For over a century we couldn’t vote at all on the candidates. They were completely selected by the parties.

            You understand that that’s how it works most other places, right? The candidates that are supported by private organizations are chosen by those organizations. Because they’re private. And because that support is not state sanctioned. Having a party affiliation on your campaign sign just means that you are supported, financially and otherwise, by that party.

            The flip side is that independent candidates are fairly common.

            And if you want input as to which candidate the private organization supports in a public election, you join the private organization. You pay your dues, you show up to meetings, and you vote on who you think the party should support in the next election.

            Meanwhile, in the US, you have people declaring themselves “lifelong Democrats” or “lifelong Republicans” who have never, ever been affiliated with the party. They just vote for whoever is their candidate every time. And maybe they show up to vote in the primaries, further entrenching the illusion that they’re part of the organization.

            But that’s all it is: an illusion. The reality is that primaries are nothing more than A/B tests to see which candidates stand to do best in the actual, real election. They’re market research surveys that let you LARP as party members, and which get made to look official and legitimate by being run by state electoral officers.

            Which means they’re private market research surveys that you pay for.

            • hoodatninja@kbin.social
              6·
              10 months ago

              Please do not talk down to me. Nothing I said indicates I think this is standard. I was giving the historical context for why it is that way in the US. So please don’t come at me with this “well actually” nonsense please. It’s needlessly hostile.

              The flip side is that independent candidates are fairly common.

              That’s not the result of not having people vote in primaries. That’s generally the result of a parliamentary system, which is more common than anything resembling the US’s representative democracy system.

              As for the rest of your comment, you’re grinding an axe over something I did not say.

    • joe@lemmy.world
      6·
      10 months ago

      I was curious and it turns out that the FEC does have regulation regarding public debates.

      The part that would be relevant doesn’t seem to apply, though:

      c. Criteria for candidate selection.

      For all debates, staging organization(s) must use pre-established objective criteria to determine which candidates may participate in a debate. For general election debates, staging organizations(s) shall not use nomination by a particular political party as the sole objective criterion to determine whether to include a candidate in a debate. For debates held prior to a primary election, caucus or convention, staging organizations may restrict candidate participation to candidates seeking the nomination of one party, and need not stage a debate for candidates seeking the nomination of any other political party or independent candidates.

      So, I guess there is a law that could be potentionally sued over, but I don’t see how the RNC doesn’t fall within the guidelines. I’m not a lawyer.