All undecided voters in a U.S. swing states focus group hosted by pollster Frank Luntz said President Biden should be replaced as the Democratic nominee after watching his first presidential debate against former President Trump.

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    5 months ago

    The problem is that the people who agree with your statement aren’t the ones who we need to convince.

    In my view too much is on the line to run Biden. He needs to voluntarily step down where then any younger fresh face that isn’t Kamala can win simply by peoples’ excitement for something different and youthful.

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      5 months ago

      I fully agree with you but can also point to all of Biden’s accomplishments and say, well, he’s done very well, surprisingly well, thus far. I would much rather say, it’s exciting to have fresh young blood in the White House that best represents the vast diversity of this country and the hope for its future. Being able to easily defend Biden’s presidency isn’t enough, if I’m being honest. But also, I mean do we really have to go over everything that DT fucked?

      Worst election ever.

      The problem is we’re not given an opportunity to vote for who we want to be president. We vote against who we don’t want.

      RANKED. CHOICE. VOTING.

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            After Reagan left office, we learned he had Alzheimer’s, and Nancy was governing from the shadows. It didn’t come out* until years after he died. 🤷‍♀️ I don’t think he’s well, and I thought it’s obvious, but I guess people believe what they want to believe. That applies to me, too.

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              5 months ago

              That’s a fair comparison. I don’t think Biden is in this situation, yet. Could be worse - it could be Trump making his own unilateral decisions.

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                He may or not be in that situation, but if he is, I don’t think anyone will tell us, anytime soon.

                Yes, tfg was worse and would be worse still. The Democrats see the writing on the wall and are not getting it together rapidly or “radically” enough. I’m aware that’s not a popular opinion, but it’s what I see, regardless of if everyone not for the other guy gets on board or not.

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      That’s not going to happen unfortunately, so the choice is Biden or Trump. Want better candidates? Ensure Biden wins and start to promote more progressive candidates in your local elections, then keep supporting them as they climb the political ladder.

      Hoping for a last minute candidate swap for the Democrats is just a fantasy.

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        5 months ago

        Says who? You do realize the convention hasn’t even happened yet, right? There are absolutely ways this can change and without too much issue.

        Let’s not say it’s impossible when it absolutely can and a wide swath of the Democratic coalition are suggesting this in earnest.

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          Ok, fair point, but let’s see how many people continue to push “both sides”, “don’t bother voting”, or “I’m going to vote 3rd party” after the convention.

          Anyone that continues to push those talking points is trying to help Trump. Plain and simple.

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            5 months ago

            Wholly agree. I will push back against anyone who suggests that. But personally, I am going to advocate we change our nominee while we have time. And if that doesn’t happen, well sure, I’ll fall in line and vote for Biden or anyone so long as it isnt Trump.

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          5 months ago

          Democrats have already voted in their primaries. To switch candidates for that party now would be to disenfranchise those voters.

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            5 months ago

            Nah, for starters those votes are of a private party and not the actual general elections. Second, there are protocols in place that allow a change in nominee, and third those votes were a snapshot in time not reflective of where people are necessarily now.