• Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.net
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    4 months ago

    What outcome do you expect from capitalist development? These countries all magically reform into socialism?

    They will develop along the same lines as capitalism always develops, and when the capitalist crises finally hits they will turn to fascism and a block will form to steer a fascist dog into attacking the communist opponent in the world stage. The level of unity that exists within this block will, in my opinion, be larger than it was last time because they will have learned from the mistakes they made, they have learned by now that nazi germany should have been their ally and not their enemy.

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      4 months ago

      What outcome do you expect from capitalist development? These countries all magically reform into socialism?

      That’s my point, we don’t know what they’re going to do, but it doesn’t really make sense to say these places will at the drop of a hat start to commit acts of imperialism against each other when a not insignificant number of them already have access to nuclear weapons and do not follow a first strike protocol. China I would argue is capitalist, but I cannot deny they are making choices in line with Marxist thinking and overall they’re doing it to advance themselves and other much poorer nations. I cannot fathom why anyone wouldn’t follow Chinas lead. Ultimately this comment just sounds like “those savage browns will just start killing each other just you wait” when these places have literally never had a chance to develop without a cracker ass nation not on their neck. How about give them a chance to do something first before criticizing them? Also why are you comparing them to the axis? You understand I’m talking about BRICS right?

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        4 months ago

        China I would argue is capitalist

        Oh. We disagree on that as well then.

        Ultimately this comment just sounds like “those savage browns will just start killing each other just you wait”

        What the fuck does skin colour have to do with this? Fuck off. Anyone believing that black capitalism will magically be different to white capitalism(or asian or arab or latam capitalism for that matter) is deeply reactionary, the thought of skin colour literally hadn’t even entered my mind, not one fucking bit, but this is fucking stupid.

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          but I cannot deny they are making choices in line with Marxist thinking and overall they’re doing it to advance themselves and other much poorer nations.

          Context is important. But if you do believe China is socialist, then why do you assume these other nations won’t follow in Chinas footsteps considering they will inherently be tied to them economically? Doesn’t really make sense.

          What the fuck does race have to do with this? Fuck off.

          Because most of BRICS is non white, and before they’ve even done anything to cooperate and advance themselves you just said “won’t work, they’ll just turn into Nazis and imperialize each other”. Just give them a break because like I said this is the first time in a very long time these places actually have the opportunity to make their own way in the world and the fact they’ve largely chosen to look towards China is a pretty big signal. Basically why would you even spend one millisecond criticizing countries that haven’t even done anything yet, let alone think they’ll follow a fascist road towards imperialism when their biggest ally is a socialist nation?

          Edit: I should clarify that I don’t think you’re racist or anything, I just think some self crit is necessary.