Edit: Where are these magical other groups of independents leaning Biden after the debate? Here’s another via Reuters:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-presidential-debate-some-undecided-voters-see-disastrous-biden-night-2024-06-28/

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In this instance, I would actually trust a Republican statistician over a Democrat to convey some semblance of reality given the damage-control within the Democratic party. But these are simply pollsters; and pollsters don’t lie; and these are undecided voters in battleground states, specifically. So unless you can actually identify what is wrong with his methodology, I think you should consider this as a hard-truth… And it doesn’t take much imagination to see how people could come away from that debate and lean toward Trump, considering universally everyone agrees Biden lost that debate in one of the worst performances in history.

Finally, why the fuck would Luntz show these data when it actually reveals a key issue with Democrats? If he was that biased, shouldn’t he be fudging the numbers and giving false-data that swing-voters love Biden? Think this through.

Axios is reporting this, after all.

Nothing doomer about what has been a slow and steady decline in Biden’s polling for months and months on end. This is more the final straw that broke the camel’s back.

Pro-tip: When “internal polling shows something different” is said by the White House but they won’t reveal the data, it means they’re lying for damage-control.

Edit: I take it many of you didn’t actually watch the debate, did you?