You can repeat “US imperialism bad” as much as you want but learning the play by play is just absolutely mind blowing. Its always so much worse than you could initially imagine.

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    Blowback is a treasure. All three seasons merit multiple listens.

    As to S3 If people in the us realized that we bombed North Korea to an extent that people were reduced to living in caves they might be a little more introspective on why they view us the way they do. Hence why Korea is the “forgotten war”

    Also, Chairman Mao man. What a heart.

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      That’s what I’ve been telling folks, like it makes sense why no one talks about the korean war, because there’s almost no way to white wash it past “NK crossed the line”.

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        Americans have such an easygoing ignorance of the absolutely massive scale of anti-communist massacres that were going on in their zone of military occupation (me included prior to listening to S3). That’s a critical piece of missing information that confuses their understanding of the motivations behind the invasion of the southern occupation zone.

        What’s less forgivable is the weird fetishization about the inviobility lines on a map. To the point of being willing to grind an entire people into dust to ensure that the line is respected.

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          weird fetishization about the inviobility lines on a map.

          The way people genuinely believe that “War” is something that only happens if you drive a tank across a survey line is infuriating. Just an absolute failure to even consider the possibility of realpolitik, of unconventional warfare, economic warfare. Like bruh if someone is pointing a nuclear gun at your head you do not have to wait for him to pull the trigger before you’re allowed to respond.

          Doubly so because so many people will excuse or outright endorse America’s various campaigns of mass murder and desolation.

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            One of the most effective American propaganda campaigns have been to convince Americans and Europeans that “war” is very specifically when you drive tanks across lines on a map.

            Things that are definitely not war include:

            • Economic blockades
            • Airstrikes against life sustaining infrastructure
            • Airstrikes against civillians
            • Actual boots on the ground in the form of special forces
            • Actual full scale invasions of countries, as long as you sign the form that says “this is not a war”
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              “Police action” is the 20th century’s “Lethal aid”

              You know it’s funny that libs want to sue gun companies for firearms murders, but don’t seem to have the same energy for acknowledging that we’re responsible for arming and training the Ukrainian armed forces.

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        More bombs were dropped on Korea than were dropped in the entirety of the WW2 pacific theater is a mind blowing stat. That shit doesn’t go away either. I’m sure they’re still dealing with soil poisoning, uxo, etc

        Edit: yep

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        As soon as you learn what was going on in the South before the war started, it begins to make people think stuff like “Maybe they were justified in crossing the line”

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    When you listen to this you also realize that the people that did this. They don’t exist any more. They where extremely smart, evil operators who had long term plans.

    Now America is just fail sons that can’t plan a week ahead

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    Honestly listening to blowback is a big part of the reason that I’m a ML now. It’s just one outrageously evil decision after another made by the American government. I realized how propagandized I still am - how have I never heard of this stuff before?

    We need to tear this empire down.

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    And you can tell libs all of this and they’ll just shrug and say “Yeah, well, that’s what happens during war. The North started it anyway, so what happened to them was their fault.”

    Source: personal experience

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    It’s an easy thing to meme about, but after listening to Season 3 I’m fully behind this next sentence:

    Uncritical support for the DPRK in its heroic struggle to liberate occupied Korea from the genocidal American empire.

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    i think even though we’re getting further away from the events every day that the details are still lurid enough and present IRL that even a podcast as well made and sourced as this still actives peoples’ i-heard-a-terrible-thing-brain-shutdown mechanism.

    You can repeat “US imperialism bad” as much as you want but learning the play by play is just absolutely mind blowing. Its always so much worse than you could initially imagine.

    it’s barbaric. Nearly beyond description

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      I read Jakarta Method a couple years ago and talking about any single part of the book to people had them shutdown almost immediately.

      Its just so fucking heavy. All I can do is drop a bit here or there, “The airforce bombed the north so completely they ran out of targets”, “MacArthur had to have his command of nukes taken away in secret because Eisenhower thought he’d nuke china first if he got wind of them being taken away”. Small facts sometimes get through but string more than one together and they cant handle it.